Oh dear! I've only gone and bought a Milk Float.

[The Wino]

It's also due to an accounting game manufacturers are playing. About 10 years ago, they all switched so frequently they are the ultimate owners of leased vehicles. They remain as assets. So it's in their interest to set the values high. But it doesn't affect the buyers because they just pay a lease rate. I think the depreciated assets then offset tax? So it's not uncommon for a lease to cost less than an owned car would have depreciated. It's all an accounting fiddle.

Just looking at the BYD dolphin surf that they're building in Hungary later this year around the £18k mark. I think there's a shake up continuing in ev offerings

 

[MichaelT]

We recently bought a new house and the builders would not go below a certain value but instead gave cash back, deposit contributions or stamp duty incentives. The sale prices all look higher than actual cash handed over.

 

[Guigsy]

Just looking at the BYD dolphin surf that they're building in Hungary later this year around the £18k mark. I think there's a shake up continuing in ev offerings

The European manufacturers lease out their vehicles and I think they effectively become a bank of sorts. They have to follow bank financial regulations. I suspect the Chinese makers aren't playing that game. So I agree, the prices might start coming back down.

 

[Ernesto]

My point though is that if there is room to incentivise EV sales do it in the cheap mass market stuff. I can't figure out why the manufacturers have high list prices and big discounts rather than a more realistic list price it makes depreciation look really high and bumps cars into higher ved. Presumably it's because the public are all mugs and believe DFS really does have sales all the time!

We have a western car industry on its knees, haemorrhaging sales and share to the chinese. The expensive models are more cash generative.
I assume removing the tax is an immediate boost to sales given where averages are, and also helps manufacturers sell the more profitable cars and balance the books whilst they desperately try to figure out how to make a profit on the low cost ones.
List prices are probably set european-wide and then translated into local currencies. If you start high, its much easier to manage demand and supply with tactical price cuts.

 

[Silver-Fox]

What's the bike then?

It’s a Trek Rail like the pic

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[Scottish Scrutineer]

You can now buy a 2025 pre registered Spring for £11K!
Would be great as a second car for short journeys.

These are very tempting, but you can buy quite a range of pre-owned EVs at lower prices now. We are off this afternoon to have a look at some options; VW iD3, MG4, and Kia Soul. Problem is that so many cars now look very similar. Considered a BMW i3, but the newer offerings have an appeal

 

[The Wino]

We have a western car industry on its knees, haemorrhaging sales and share to the chinese. The expensive models are more cash generative.
I assume removing the tax is an immediate boost to sales given where averages are, and also helps manufacturers sell the more profitable cars and balance the books whilst they desperately try to figure out how to make a profit on the low cost ones.
List prices are probably set european-wide and then translated into local currencies. If you start high, its much easier to manage demand and supply with tactical price cuts.

The thing is that if that is the reason it's going to be a very short term bolster and the industry needs to sort itself out. BYD building a plant I the EU is going to remove any support by tariffs to prop up EU manufacturers and BYD top range models are taking share off Tesla's and other high end models. I think western industry has been far too late realising the big shift that's happening in car sales.

 

[The Wino]

These are very tempting, but you can buy quite a range of pre-owned EVs at lower prices now. We are off this afternoon to have a look at some options; VW iD3, MG4, and Kia Soul. Problem is that so many cars now look very similar. Considered a BMW i3, but the newer offerings have an appeal

I think the i3 was a good choice a couple of years ago but it's a rapidly changing market. We were looking at buying a three year old Kia niro EV like our son had but got a new pre registered MG 4 for not much more.

 

[Guigsy]

The thing is that if that is the reason it's going to be a very short term bolster and the industry needs to sort itself out. BYD building a plant I the EU is going to remove any support by tariffs to prop up EU manufacturers and BYD top range models are taking share off Tesla's and other high end models. I think western industry has been far too late realising the big shift that's happening in car sales.

They've been actively discouraging it. Japan too. They wanted to keep selling cars that kept their using their existing manufacturing facilities. Squeezing as much profit out of them (and their customers) as they could. But these new Chinese upstarts don't have to worry about their devaluing combustion engine plants, or making compromised designs that can house ICE and EV.

 

[The Wino]

They've been actively discouraging it. Japan too. They wanted to keep selling cars that kept their using their existing manufacturing facilities. Squeezing as much profit out of them (and their customers) as they could. But these new Chinese upstarts don't have to worry about their devaluing combustion engine plants, or making compromised designs that can house ICE and EV.

In the news yesterday that Mazda are stopping making their EV car that they only introduced in 2019 as it's outdated with a very poor range compared to other offerings. I think the western manufacturers all saw Tesla do well and aimed at the expensive end of the market quite often with SUVs that weighed so much the range was hopeless and at a very high price. They have left the cheap end of the market wide open until recently.

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[Guigsy]

In the news yesterday that Mazda are stopping making their EV car that they only introduced in 2019 as it's outdated with a very poor range compared to other offerings. I think the western manufacturers all saw Tesla do well and aimed at the expensive end of the market quite often with SUVs that weighed so much the range was hopeless and at a very high price. They have left the cheap end of the market wide open until recently.

Most car models are refreshed every 7 years, so that's only slightly ahead of schedule. And the Japanese are well behind in the EV race. The mx30 was a pretty poor first attempt with rubbish range. My Hyundai has a similar size battery and gets nearly twice as far.

 

[MichaelT]

Currently on a THS and someone has a Mercedes EV towing a caravan.

 

[Guigsy]

Currently on a THS and someone has a Mercedes EV towing a caravan.

Just because you can...

I wonder how much it affects the range (which is already poor)? Towing is awful for electric cars. But vans are already bludgeoning a hole in the air with their poor aerodynamics, so maybe a caravan wouldn't make as much difference?

 

[dash300]

Lots of heavy 'discounts' also available to private buyers.

'RRP' is a very spurious concept (and behind a lot of misleading depreciation calculations).

MG Newton Abbot have knocked 5k of a new MG4 for me from the outset £22500 OTR!

 

[MichaelT]

Just because you can...

I wonder how much it affects the range (which is already poor)? Towing is awful for electric cars. But vans are already bludgeoning a hole in the air with their poor aerodynamics, so maybe a caravan wouldn't make as much difference?

Being heavier than ICE cars thought they would make good tow cars?

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[Guigsy]

Being heavier than ICE cars thought they would make good tow cars?

EVs have good torque and the weight probably makes them comfortable towers. But EVs are very sensitive to aerodynamics. And dragging the weight up a hill will burn through your battery very quickly, although hopefully you'd get most of it back on it way down. Generally EV range is very heavily reduced by towing.

 

[Silver-Fox]

I can’t remember who said on here BYD arnt that reliable

I’ve not heard anything but good about MG.

I wouldn’t touch VW now a days, just living on a very old reputation.

 

[Steve I]

No good I'm afraid as Octopus will only cable to external walls, and as our fuse box and incomers are internal in the house with no access to an external wall without going through the loft, they will not quote.
Sorted now though, charger being fitted tomorrow morning.

That’s great news, never considered only external walls as that’s what we were using

 

[The Wino]

MG Newton Abbot have knocked 5k of a new MG4 for me from the outset £22500 OTR!

What model is that? Look on autotrader for a comparison. Try driving one they're great!

 

[Camdoon]

MG Motor UK MG4 Hatchback 150kw SE EV Long Range 64kwh 5dr Auto

[td]£29,505.00[/td][td]£7,417.12[/td] [td]£22,087.88[/td]

that's not the trophy but good for 250 miles + and brand new.
Dacia dealers selling their Spring Extreme for less than £12k pre-registered. Good for 120 miles and less than £2 to fill up. Good for anyone with a 20-30 mile commute.
Both cars built in China.

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[Kamperkev]

I can’t remember who said on here BYD arnt that reliable

I’ve not heard anything but good about MG.

I wouldn’t touch VW now a days, just living on a very old reputation.

I have just had my BYD Dolphin for just over a week now and I can honestly say nothing has fallen off and it hasn't rusted out yet
I have found the car lovely to drive and very well put together
Kev

 

[Minxy]

I have just had my BYD Dolphin for just over a week now and I can honestly say nothing has fallen off and it hasn't rusted out yet
I have found the car lovely to drive and very well put together
Kev

I would've thought being called 'Dolphin' it would love water ... just be care if you go near the sea though as it might try to jump in to join it's mates!

 

[Silver-Fox]

I have just had my BYD Dolphin for just over a week now and I can honestly say nothing has fallen off and it hasn't rusted out yet
I have found the car lovely to drive and very well put together
Kev

All good then and as they say one swallow doesn’t make a summer

 

[dash300]

What model is that? Look on autotrader for a comparison. Try driving one they're great!

CarWow - MG4 125kWEV 49kWh Auto SE Navigation, Red.

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[Guigsy]

I would've thought being called 'Dolphin' it would love water ... just be care if you go near the sea though as it might try to jump in to join it's mates!

An alternative is the Ora Funky Cat. But after poor sales, it looks like it's being relaunched as the Ora 03.

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[dash300]

MG Motor UK MG4 Hatchback 150kw SE EV Long Range 64kwh 5dr Auto

[td]£29,505.00[/td][td]£7,417.12[/td] [td]£22,087.88[/td]
that's not the trophy but good for 250 miles + and brand new.
Dacia dealers selling their Spring Extreme for less than £12k pre-registered. Good for 120 miles and less than £2 to fill up. Good for anyone with a 20-30 mile commute.
Both cars built in China.

That's a good price for the LR, who is that with? I've been diverted away from Citroen now for our local driver!

 

[gpat]

I can’t remember who said on here BYD arnt that reliable

I’ve not heard anything but good about MG.

I wouldn’t touch VW now a days, just living on a very old reputation.

You have now.

What Car reliability survey 2024.

MG4. Reliability rating 63.8%

Most common faults: non-motor electrics 15%, interior trim 9%, motor 7%

Average repair cost: fixed for free 55%, more than £1500 19%

Time off road: 68% more than a week

The MG 4 is one of the most affordable electric cars you can buy, with prices that undercut some petrol and diesel alternatives. However, it's the lowest scoring electric model in our survey, because it has a fairly high percentage of faults and cars that go wrong can be slow and expensive to fix.

Owners told us that 30% of their cars went wrong overall. They reported issues in almost all of our fault categories, including non-motor electrics, interior trim, bodywork, motor, sat-nav/ infotainment, battery/charging system, gearbox/clutch and motor electrics.

MG only paid for repairs in 55% of cases, leaving 39% of owners with bills of £1000 or more. Many faults caused a lot of inconvenience too, because 68% of affected cars took more than a week to put right

 

[dash300]

You have now.

What Car reliability survey 2024.

MG4. Reliability rating 63.8%

Most common faults: non-motor electrics 15%, interior trim 9%, motor 7%

Average repair cost: fixed for free 55%, more than £1500 19%

Time off road: 68% more than a week

The MG 4 is one of the most affordable electric cars you can buy, with prices that undercut some petrol and diesel alternatives. However, it's the lowest scoring electric model in our survey, because it has a fairly high percentage of faults and cars that go wrong can be slow and expensive to fix.

Owners told us that 30% of their cars went wrong overall. They reported issues in almost all of our fault categories, including non-motor electrics, interior trim, bodywork, motor, sat-nav/ infotainment, battery/charging system, gearbox/clutch and motor electrics.

MG only paid for repairs in 55% of cases, leaving 39% of owners with bills of £1000 or more. Many faults caused a lot of inconvenience too, because 68% of affected cars took more than a week to put right

Ah!

 

[MichaelT]

You have now.

What Car reliability survey 2024.

MG4. Reliability rating 63.8%

Most common faults: non-motor electrics 15%, interior trim 9%, motor 7%

Average repair cost: fixed for free 55%, more than £1500 19%

Time off road: 68% more than a week

The MG 4 is one of the most affordable electric cars you can buy, with prices that undercut some petrol and diesel alternatives. However, it's the lowest scoring electric model in our survey, because it has a fairly high percentage of faults and cars that go wrong can be slow and expensive to fix.

Owners told us that 30% of their cars went wrong overall. They reported issues in almost all of our fault categories, including non-motor electrics, interior trim, bodywork, motor, sat-nav/ infotainment, battery/charging system, gearbox/clutch and motor electrics.

MG only paid for repairs in 55% of cases, leaving 39% of owners with bills of £1000 or more. Many faults caused a lot of inconvenience too, because 68% of affected cars took more than a week to put right

I thought Lenny HB said it had 7 years warranty?

 

[ROCHESB]

I thought Lenny HB said it had 7 years warranty?

The 7 year warranty tapers off over the years, some parts are covered for 1 year, some for 3 and some for 7.

This forum below has lots of information about MG EVs, of course like many others they have lots of reports of problems and very few posts from owners who have not experienced any problems.

MG EVs electric cars community forum

MG Electric car forum covering the MG4, MG5, ZS EV, Cyberster and HS PHEV and all future electric vehicles

www.mgevs.com

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