Motorhoming in Greece - Drastic news.

nicholsong said:
Who do you expect to provide these sites for MHs? The government or private enterprise?

If the government does not, and private enterprise does not provide enough sites, why pass laws which do not recognise that reality?

I could foresee some civil disobedience, French style, by some MH owners going to campsites to obey the law, and then refusing to pay. Told to leave, police called - 'not us, civil matter.' Consequence, those willing to pay cannot get on a pitch.

Chaos of the government's making.
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Personally I think a mixture of local communes, government and private enterprise and even social enterprise. As is happening ( hopefully) in Greece the laws will be adjusted to a more sensible level, but at the same time it could encourage/ force those above to provide suitable areas for motorhomes/ camper vans
"out of chaos ( even government induced) comes order" ( eventually)
 
Having read the summary of Greece along with some other EU countries clamping down on Motor Home travels, it was a shock to read how much further the plans are for motor homes or RVs in The US See Below.
I wonder how that will affect SH values of all ICE RV's in the near future if they actually manage to build large electric RV's, no doubt continuing to tow massive V8 Ram Pick up Trucks, with Gun Racks.;)
LES
Unlike the European bans, the United States has taken a regulatory approach aimed at the future of motorhome travel. While no federal or state authority has enacted a blanket ban on motorhome usage, ten states are leading the charge toward restricting the sale and registration of new internal combustion engine (ICE) motorhomes.

These states include:

  • California
  • Massachusetts
  • New Jersey
  • New York
  • Oregon
  • Washington
  • Vermont
  • Colorado
  • Maryland
  • New Mexico
  • Rhode Island
Under laws like the Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) Rule, these states are poised to limit ICE motorhome sales starting from 2025 through 2027, depending on the jurisdiction. The goal is to shift toward electric-powered recreational vehicles in line with emissions targets. While current owners can still use and register their vehicles, the rules significantly limit future access to traditional motorhomes in these regions.
 
TinaLes said:
Having read the summary of Greece along with some other EU countries clamping down on Motor Home travels, it was a shock to read how much further the plans are for motor homes or RVs in The US See Below.
I wonder how that will affect SH values of all ICE RV's in the near future if they actually manage to build large electric RV's, no doubt continuing to tow massive V8 Ram Pick up Trucks, with Gun Racks.;)
LES
Unlike the European bans, the United States has taken a regulatory approach aimed at the future of motorhome travel. While no federal or state authority has enacted a blanket ban on motorhome usage, ten states are leading the charge toward restricting the sale and registration of new internal combustion engine (ICE) motorhomes.

These states include:

  • California
  • Massachusetts
  • New Jersey
  • New York
  • Oregon
  • Washington
  • Vermont
  • Colorado
  • Maryland
  • New Mexico
  • Rhode Island
Under laws like the Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) Rule, these states are poised to limit ICE motorhome sales starting from 2025 through 2027, depending on the jurisdiction. The goal is to shift toward electric-powered recreational vehicles in line with emissions targets. While current owners can still use and register their vehicles, the rules significantly limit future access to traditional motorhomes in these regions.
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Because America has the biggest volume of people living fulltime in rv's ...and governments worldwide really don't want that.
 
TinaLes said:
Having read the summary of Greece along with some other EU countries clamping down on Motor Home travels, it was a shock to read how much further the plans are for motor homes or RVs in The US See Below.
I wonder how that will affect SH values of all ICE RV's in the near future if they actually manage to build large electric RV's, no doubt continuing to tow massive V8 Ram Pick up Trucks, with Gun Racks.;)
LES
Unlike the European bans, the United States has taken a regulatory approach aimed at the future of motorhome travel. While no federal or state authority has enacted a blanket ban on motorhome usage, ten states are leading the charge toward restricting the sale and registration of new internal combustion engine (ICE) motorhomes.

These states include:

  • California
  • Massachusetts
  • New Jersey
  • New York
  • Oregon
  • Washington
  • Vermont
  • Colorado
  • Maryland
  • New Mexico
  • Rhode Island
Under laws like the Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) Rule, these states are poised to limit ICE motorhome sales starting from 2025 through 2027, depending on the jurisdiction. The goal is to shift toward electric-powered recreational vehicles in line with emissions targets. While current owners can still use and register their vehicles, the rules significantly limit future access to traditional motorhomes in these regions.
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They will just register the vehicle in another state, apparently quite easy to do, many currently register vehicles in other states for cheaper tax.
 
Soycd said:
As far as I'm aware 'wild' camping has never been allowed in Greece. It's jut that the police/authorities have turned a blind eye in the past. This new law which came into force in January this year, seems to have slipped under the radar. Not only is 'wild' camping not allowed, parking a motorhome, caravan or trailer in a public place is also forbidden. So last year we parked up in numerous places to do a bit of sight seeing, shopping etc. in Greece, not a problem. I fear that if we were going again this year we might run into problems. It would not be a great shock if the Greeks back pedal on this. ELAT (Greek Motorhome and Caravan Club) have only recently got wind of this and will hopefully stir things up a little. Here is the link again to the petition to rescind the law. I'ts in everyones interest to sign up, regardless of if they might travel to Greece soon, or not.
chng.it

20,086 people signed and won this petition

Όχι στην Απόλυτη Απαγόρευση Στάθμευσης Αυτοκινούμενων και Τροχόσπιτων στην Ελλάδα!
chng.it chng.it
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Signed.
 
Landy Andy said:
I certainly wouldn’t own mine if I was restricted to the UK. Mine would be binned if I couldn’t leave the country.
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Plenty of us think like that, so far France & Spain are still fairly easy if you pick your time.
We stopped going to Spain in Feb and now go in April, apart from Easter it's still easy find stops.
 
Northernraider said:
Because America has the biggest volume of people living fulltime in rv's ...and governments worldwide really don't want that.
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Well Tam if you have decided to give it all up could you please fix all outstanding faults, fill with diesel and lpg then drop your van off at my house in Perth and stick the keys through the letterbox if I’m not in!
Much obliged 😜🤪
Alex

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Barriesimpson said:
Signed.
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Actually I do agree with principle if trying to discourage bad behaviour of those that have a mobile living space thinking the World is their oyster and they can do what they want wherever they want without any consideration to either the environment or the local population.

From what I have read on this forum about say the Spanish coast in the winter it sounds horrific. So bring on the restrictions is what I say.
 
vzac said:
Personally I think a mixture of local communes, government and private enterprise and even social enterprise. As is happening ( hopefully) in Greece the laws will be adjusted to a more sensible level, but at the same time it could encourage/ force those above to provide suitable areas for motorhomes/ camper vans
"out of chaos ( even government induced) comes order" ( eventually)
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In respect of Greece, you are living in 'Cloud cuckoo land'. No local mayor will spend money on it and entrepreneurs have already decided it is not worth it.

Maybe some campsite operators think that this new law will make it attractive to open new campsites, but many will know that the average MHomer will park at a beach far enough away from a local police station to deter the police from leaving their coffee and internet to bother to go to the beach.

It is a bit like the law in Greece that requires an MOT-equivalent, unless you are more than 50kms from a testing station. Why do garages not set-up new ones, you ask? Answer, because they would burn down on the first w/e.
 
nicholsong said:
In respect of Greece, you are living in 'Cloud cuckoo land'. No local mayor will spend money on it and entrepreneurs have already decided it is not worth it.

Maybe some campsite operators think that this new law will make it attractive to open new campsites, but many will know that the average MHomer will park at a beach far enough away from a local police station to deter the police from leaving their coffee and internet to bother to go to the beach.

It is a bit like the law in Greece that requires an MOT-equivalent, unless you are more than 50kms from a testing station. Why do garages not set-up new ones, you ask? Answer, because they would burn down on the first w/e.
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Well if that's really there stance. So be it, will go elsewhere. Perhaps Moldova might want us.
 
Soycd said:
As far as I'm aware 'wild' camping has never been allowed in Greece. It's jut that the police/authorities have turned a blind eye in the past. This new law which came into force in January this year, seems to have slipped under the radar. Not only is 'wild' camping not allowed, parking a motorhome, caravan or trailer in a public place is also forbidden. So last year we parked up in numerous places to do a bit of sight seeing, shopping etc. in Greece, not a problem. I fear that if we were going again this year we might run into problems. It would not be a great shock if the Greeks back pedal on this. ELAT (Greek Motorhome and Caravan Club) have only recently got wind of this and will hopefully stir things up a little. Here is the link again to the petition to rescind the law. I'ts in everyones interest to sign up, regardless of if they might travel to Greece soon, or not.
chng.it

20,086 people signed and won this petition

Όχι στην Απόλυτη Απαγόρευση Στάθμευσης Αυτοκινούμενων και Τροχόσπιτων στην Ελλάδα!
chng.it chng.it
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That about sums it up. Having driven to or through Greece a few times in the last couple of years once you’ve left the border post I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Greek copper
 
guy b said:
That about sums it up. Having driven to or through Greece a few times in the last couple of years once you’ve left the border post I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Greek copper
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Seen loads and been moved on by them.

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guy b said:
That about sums it up. Having driven to or through Greece a few times in the last couple of years once you’ve left the border post I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Greek copper
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As someone who spends a lot of time in Greece there are loads of police and they regularly patrol the beach carparks etc .. and they will move folk on and hand out fines so it is something not to be taken lightly.
 
TinaLes said:
Having read the summary of Greece along with some other EU countries clamping down on Motor Home travels, it was a shock to read how much further the plans are for motor homes or RVs in The US See Below.
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Yes I noticed that too ... if there's one 'modern' country that has the most love of ICE it's gotta be America so I can't believe for one minute that it will actually be enforced especially since there's nothing to realistically replace ICE in larger leisure vehicles.
 
Minxy said:
Yes I noticed that too ... if there's one 'modern' country that has the most love of ICE it's gotta be America so I can't believe for one minute that it will actually be enforced especially since there's nothing to realistically replace ICE in larger leisure vehicles.
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I guess its as he would say some new net zero "stupid" law that has not been highlighted and passed across Donald's desk as yet.
I feel sure that when he does find out about it and its negative affect on The Great American RV manufacturers, its workers jobs under threat, and its RV clients he will no doubt pass an immediate amendment signing with his big felt tip pen. Then saying something like...where would we be without the world famous Winnebago's travelling up & down US Highways, rewarding those brave hard working, but now retired US Citizens, most of which voted for me, from enjoying themselves.
Donald would then say, I know having played Golf with 100's of them, that RV owners by travelling across this great America support not only local golf courses, but local grocery and gas station businesses.
They are really nice people, and I will make sure that all my golf courses make special parking arrangements for them all, I think its really important to support them and keep them from having to park at Walmart who I am meeting this week, as they are buying too much stuff from Chii....Na who have been ripping off America for too long
LES:giggle:
 
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Minxy said:
Yes I noticed that too ... if there's one 'modern' country that has the most love of ICE it's gotta be America so I can't believe for one minute that it will actually be enforced especially since there's nothing to realistically replace ICE in larger leisure vehicles.
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America used to be modern but these days its the most backward country there is .. I'd hate to live there
 
Northernraider said:
America used to be modern but these days its the most backward country there is .. I'd hate to live there
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Agree with you, the only reason I'd ever go would be to see the Grand Canyon.

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I think some folk (like me initially) think this is about staying overnight in your motorhome in Greece. It’s about that yes, but more than that it is about parking. So you go to visit Olympia and use the car park, illegal. You park up to admire the view somewhere, illegal. Stop on the road to grab something from a bakery, illegal. Stay on a private garden where there is already one camper, illegal. Basically it means the ONLY place you can leave your camper is an official campsite, even for 30 minutes. Very draconian but also very Greek! The petition is now up to 7000, not really enough to have an impact yet.
 
I understood it meant every occasion a MH etc stopped in any public areas would be illegal, so in effect even a resident going shopping in theirs and stopping in the supermarket carpark or on a road would be doing something illegal. It's a total nonsense regulation that would be impossible to enforce fully and lead to claims of favouritism as some would be fined and others wouldn't. I don't have a problem with some sensible restrictions but a carpet ban is idiotic and can't be enforced otherwise the cops would be doing nothing but fining MHs etc all shift.
 
Soycd said:
The petition is now up to 7000, not really enough to have an impact yet.
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Wait until the residents get going, I'm sure it'll get more traction then, if I was a resident with a MH etc I'd be creating merry hell as in effect this means they can no longer use it.
 
Maybe use invisible paint and go totally stealth 🤔are others also looking at this



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jumartoo said:
Spain will have to put on their big pants and enforce the rules they've already passed. Already there are comments on the YouTube video from people saying they'll go to Spain or Portugal instead. Spain was over saturated this last winter and can't take more, especially when they've already closed some of the popular coastal spots, with others in the pipeline.

Opening new areas can't possibly absorb the huge numbers of visitors. They just can't build enough, even if they wanted to.
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Problem is if you build new places they will be empty over summer so is it worth it. Better IMHO to allow what happens now and turn a blind eye as those visitors bring vital money over winter to keep some places afloat and open then clamp down in summer when there's more spaces as less vans.

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