Relocating to a Schengen country (1 Viewer)

[Lynne Roy]

I appreciate we will probably have to jump through hoops, but can anyone advise if it is still possible to get a residencia anywhere

 

[Abgs]

France is certainly do-able but you will need to apply for annually for a residency permit, have private medical insurance and prove that you have a sufficient financial resources to live on. After 5 years you can apply for a long stay residency permit. More info here

 

[Lynne Roy]

Thank you x

 

[Blue Knight]

Cyprus is not quite there yet but if you do fancy sunny Cyprus (with the possibility of it joining soon) then you could opt for an 'F Visa'.

However, it's likely to take you up to 36-months to secure the visa unlike the Cypriot Govt's web page which stipulates an application timeline of between12-18 months. Everything is so slooooooow!

 

[Bolti]

As long as you do not need to work or are working remotely. A non lucrative visa is what you need. Not too difficult to obtain as long as you have enough cash in the bank and will need to purchase private medical insurance.

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[Lynne Roy]

Thank you both for positive news, we don’t need to work fortunately although I will not receive my pension for another year, we do have savings. Looking forward to a future now, we spend 10 months a year with the E.U. and are hoping to continue our live having fun there

 

[Lynne Roy]

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Cyprus is not quite there yet but if you do fancy sunny Cyprus (with the possibility of it joining soon) then you could opt for an 'F Visa'.

However, it's likely to take you up to 36-months to secure the visa unlike the Cypriot Govt's web page which stipulates an application timeline of between12-18 months. Everything is so slooooooow!

Thanks but Cyprus not an option as we cannot drive Motorhome there, our daughter has just returned after 7 years and the winters were not pleasant weather

 

[Lynne Roy]

House going on the market next, a real shortage here, we will put the favourite possessions into store and sell everything else, then off we go on a search for a new home

 

[Figaro]

then off we go on a search for a new home

Have you a destination in mind ?

 

[Burgo]

Spain is a possibility, as is pretty well everywhere else. The application process will be the same as other 3rd countries. You'll need to prove minimum income as well as medical cover (unless you're working here) etc. Just because the UK left the EU it doesn't mean you can't move to an EU country; you just now have to apply and meet the qualifying requirements rather than having an automatic right.

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[Burgo]

This post has been deleted as I just need to check something (and can't find a delete button!!!).

 

[EuroTrotters]

Spain is a possibility, as is pretty well everywhere else. The application process will be the same as other 3rd countries. You'll need to prove minimum income as well as medical cover (unless you're working here) etc. Just because the UK left the EU it doesn't mean you can't move to an EU country; you just now have to apply and meet the qualifying requirements rather than having an automatic right.

Don't forget some countries taxation on incomes

 

[Lynne Roy]

Have you a destination in mind ?

We love France and Spain, so the search will start there x

 

[Burgo]

Nb as a UK passport holder that, regardless of where you reside, the 90 in 180 day rule will still apply to you. To clarify, we have the right of permanent residency for Spain having lived here for 15 years, but are still limited to a max of 90d in the rolling 180d if we go to another EU country. Before the 90d is up we would need to return to Spain or UK.

Don't forget some countries taxation on incomes

The tax regime you are taxed under is, usually, initially decided on where you spend 183 days or more. When assessing the taxation domicile they may also consider aspects such as where your bank accounts are based, investments, school address of children, ownership of other properties, address of spouse or other dependents, and (much) more. Nothing to do with residency at all.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Nb as a UK passport holder that, regardless of where you reside, the 90 in 180 day rule will still apply to you. To clarify, we have the right of permanent residency for Spain having lived here for 15 years, but are still limited to a max of 90d in the rolling 180d if we go to another EU country. Before the 90d is up we would need to return to Spain or UK.

The tax regime you are taxed under is, usually, initially decided on where you spend 183 days or more. When assessing the taxation domicile they may also consider aspects such as where your bank accounts are based, investments, school address of children, ownership of other properties, address of spouse or other dependents, and (much) more. Nothing to do with residency at all.

Sorry, I was confusing it with residency

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[gus-lopez]

Nb as a UK passport holder that, regardless of where you reside, the 90 in 180 day rule will still apply to you. To clarify, we have the right of permanent residency for Spain having lived here for 15 years, but are still limited to a max of 90d in the rolling 180d if we go to another EU country. Before the 90d is up we would need to return to Spain or UK.

Not correct. It remains the same as it was when in the EU.Yes you are still only allowed 90 days say in France but you can then go next door in to Germany for a couple of days & return if you wish. Or move on to another EU state.
The rights are enshrined as they were previously under the withdrawal act, in that you have the same rights as a national . additionally there is no requirement to carry your passport once in possession of the new TIE card with biometrics when travelling in the EU.

 

[Bolti]

Nb as a UK passport holder that, regardless of where you reside, the 90 in 180 day rule will still apply to you. To clarify, we have the right of permanent residency for Spain having lived here for 15 years, but are still limited to a max of 90d in the rolling 180d if we go to another EU country. Before the 90d is up we would need to return to Spain or UK.

The tax regime you are taxed under is, usually, initially decided on where you spend 183 days or more. When assessing the taxation domicile they may also consider aspects such as where your bank accounts are based, investments, school address of children, ownership of other properties, address of spouse or other dependents, and (much) more. Nothing to do with residency at all.

Non lucrative visas require you to be a tax resident of country you are applying for residency in.
Also do not forget if applying to become a resident of Spain you can no longer exchange driving licence but must take driving test complete with lessons.

 

[Lynne Roy]

Thanks for the information , I thought we may have to jump through hoops, but it looks doable, taking a driving test in Spain just inconvenient, perhaps France is more straightforward, but we will do what needs doing, or I will regret it always

 

[Badknee]

Non lucrative visas require you to be a tax resident of country you are applying for residency in.
Also do not forget if applying to become a resident of Spain you can no longer exchange driving licence but must take driving test complete with lessons.

Am I missing something here? I thought the non lucrative visa and residency were two different things, is that not so?

 

[Burgo]

Not correct. It remains the same as it was when in the EU.Yes you are still only allowed 90 days say in France but you can then go next door in to Germany for a couple of days & return if you wish. Or move on to another EU state.
The rights are enshrined as they were previously under the withdrawal act, in that you have the same rights as a national . additionally there is no requirement to carry your passport once in possession of the new TIE card with biometrics when travelling in the EU.

Hmmm....It depends on how you intérprete the phrase "You can travel to other countries for up to 90 days in any 180-day period without a visa for purposes such as tourism" as its not exactly clear whether they mean more than one schengen area country, or are referring to a single other country which is a member of the schengen group of countries.

According to HM government's site at

Living in Spain

Information for British citizens moving to or living in Spain, including guidance on residency, healthcare and passports.

www.gov.uk

"Entry requirements
You can travel to other countries for up to 90 days in any 180-day period without a visa for purposes such as tourism.

To stay longer than 90 days in any 180-day period, to work or study, or for business travel, you must meet the entry requirements set out by the country you are travelling to. This could mean applying for a visa or work permit.

Periods of time authorised by a visa or permit will not count towards the 90-day visa-free limit.

Different rules will apply to EU countries that are not part of the Schengen area. Check each country’s travel advice page for information on entry requirements.

Travel to the UK and Ireland has not changed."

We'd probably need to check in the BOE for a definitive statement on Spain's interpretation on how that part of the withdrawal agreement, agreed with the EU, is assimilated into Spain's application of it's domestic the Residencia law.

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[Oscar]

Thanks for the information , I thought we may have to jump through hoops, but it looks doable, taking a driving test in Spain just inconvenient, perhaps France is more straightforward, but we will do what needs doing, or I will regret it always

Do you need to retain your C1 part of your driving licence? Also, are you intending to matriculate your current motorhome? We've looked at this, and the cost of private healthcare

 

[Bolti]

Am I missing something here? I thought the non lucrative visa and residency were two different things, is that not so?

The non lucrative visa is what you need to enable you to reside beyond the 90 days. It needs to be renewed for a few years then residency can be obtained.

 

[Bolti]

Do you need to retain your C1 part of your driving licence? Also, are you intending to matriculate your current motorhome? We've looked at this, and the cost of private healthcare

Health care for a healthy 60 year old is just over a thousand euros check out Asssa website if in the Costa Blanca area.

 

[Lynne Roy]

Do you need to retain your C1 part of your driving licence? Also, are you intending to matriculate your current motorhome? We've looked at this, and the cost of private healthcare

We would sell Motorhome and buy one in the country we made home. I am not sure how much health care is now, used to be £2k for the year per couple and was amazing . Hoping we can sort something out because I really can’t face life with all these restrictions.

 

[Badknee]

The non lucrative visa is what you need to enable you to reside beyond the 90 days. It needs to be renewed for a few years then residency can be obtained.

I don’t want residence, just to spend our usual winters in Spain.

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[DBK]

We would sell Motorhome and buy one in the country we made home. I am not sure how much health care is now, used to be £2k for the year per couple and was amazing . Hoping we can sort something out because I really can’t face life with all these restrictions.

I guess it is the health care costs which will be the critical factor for some. If you are young enough it won't be too expensive and by the time you get old and wrinkly (like me ) you will be a resident.

 

[jumar]

I don’t want residence, just to spend our usual winters in Spain.

So do many others .but things change, and it might be a while before any alteration to the current restrictions on travel happen. 90/180, not Covid.
Regarding residencia, we are hearing of many people who are suddenly, asking the very same question, many Van lifers are, it was so easy up to the end of last year, here in Spain the authorities bent over backwards to ensure those that wanted residencia would get it...and many who hadn't been residents for years finally obtained that status.
Like Gus said having a TIE residencia card gives us our freedom, our identification that we followed the rules , only yesterday in our Spanish Medical Centre we received a type of admin service which in the past would have seen the need for paper for this and a paper for that, in triplicate. Simple life....who needs stress.

 

[Burgo]

gus-lopez The Spanish consulate, site seems to say the same - if you are a British passport (ie 3rd country) holder then visiting another schengen area country from Spain is subject to the same 90d rule.
"
As of the end of the transition period British citizens and their non-EU family members will be subject to all Spanish immigration rules for third-country nationals, meaning any privileges under EU freedom of movement will come to an end.

However, UK nationals and their family members who established the residence in other EU Member State before the end of the transition period in accordance with EU free movement law, will maintain their free movements rights after 31st December 2020.

In compliance with EU Regulation 2018/1806 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 14 November 2018 British passport holders travelling to Schengen countries for holidays, business or to visit family do not require a visa for stays of up to 90 days in a 180 day-period, provided the visit is not for gainful activity. Please note that the 90 days will start counting from the date they enter any of the Schengen countries, including Spain. "

FFI See <Broken link removed>

 

[Abgs]

We would sell Motorhome and buy one in the country we made home. I am not sure how much health care is now, used to be £2k for the year per couple and was amazing . Hoping we can sort something out because I really can’t face life with all these restrictions.

If you end up considering Dept 17 in France, between Saintes and Rochefort I have lots of contacts down there for general Insurances, building work, health insurance and property finding services.

 

[BreweryDave]

Whilst the residency process has changed, it’s just different, not impossible. There are thousands of US and Canadian citizens living in Europe, and they’ve always had the 3rd country national rules to apply, so exactly the same will now apply for U.K. citizens. Simple really.

However, what it isn’t is a way for motorhomes to simply stay longer than the 90 days, it’s a life change, you are moving to another country, with all the other changes that that entails including vehicles, driving, taxation and health provision. You are emigrating, not having a long holiday! ( .....although it feels like it )

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