Motorhome woman: my drink was spiked (3 Viewers)

[GJH]

Perhaps you could quote me when I said she left her glass on the table......did yo never do anything unwise when you were a much younger.....I think I could probably already predict your answer to that one Graham.

I sit corrected. You actually said "had her glass at the table while socialising" so, not unattended but inattentive.

I'm sure I did unwise things when I was younger but I don't recall being so unwise as to knowingly patronising such establishments and ignore such warnings though

 

[Tea Bag]

Waiting to see a Dr.one sunday morning HGV Med. Car pulls up,so looked,no Dr badge ,he came and knocked at the window and said."Are you coming in,i am the Dr "
Mentioned about the Dr bit,and he said that it was like a neon sign to druggies,saying come and break in,this led to drugs etc and he said then,in the 1980's," I have warned my daughter that if she goes for a drink,order a bottled drink and make sure you see it opened and keep a finger or thumb over the bottle top while holding it in your hand,never put it down on a table,i have seen to many cases where drinks have been spiked".
Been stopped many times in the early hours of the morning,it usualy started with."Do you know why i stopped you?" they can then smell if you have taken a drink.then say."You were going a bit quick,be carefull".
I have allways been treated fairly...'ish,by the police,and they can stop me anytime,keeps me safer.
Tea Bag

 

[Minxy]

I do rely on my three pint rule, so far it has served me well, and I have never walked into any cars or any other obstacle for that matter! In fact my rule isn't so much 3 Pints, it's more this simple equation:
No alcohol = drive
Alcohol = Shank's pony

I suppose seeing as it's Ginger Beer it wouldn't make much difference anyway!

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[mitzimad]

the police all ready do random breath test ive been stopped twice purely on the grounds of being seen to leave clubs late at night in one instance the officer was carrying the breathalyzer prior to even speaking to me having followed me for 3 miles i was aware of him behind me from the moment i turned out of the club broke no speed limits and genuinley hadnt had a drink for 7 hours and that was one bottle of larger so no way i was still smelling of alcohol from 20 yards away

 

[GWAYGWAY]

The offence is absolute. FULL STOP.
I hit a pedestrian and broke his leg, the police breath tested me,(clear). not him, he had reportedly had 8 pints at the local and was only a little bloke and could hardly stand it seems , before I hit him, when he staggered in front of me between two parked cars. He claims a load of compo from my insurance company and does nicely out of it.

 

[ianandkath]

Exactly what I was thinking! I once had a breath test after consuming 3 pints of beer (I should point out I wasn't driving, it was a friendly traffic copper who I was chatting to) I would have been OK, I was under the limit.

thats that southren beer then, just like piss water

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[Bertie Bassett]

Naaaaaa, it said she was only 35.

Another cracker for my black book Knee

 

[sdc77]

the police all ready do random breath test ive been stopped twice purely on the grounds of being seen to leave clubs late at night

Thats hardly random

 

[gus-lopez]

The offence is absolute. FULL STOP.
I hit a pedestrian and broke his leg, the police breath tested me,(clear). not him, he had reportedly had 8 pints at the local and was only a little bloke and could hardly stand it seems , before I hit him, when he staggered in front of me between two parked cars. He claims a load of compo from my insurance company and does nicely out of it.

Fortunately here the pedestrian can now be prosecuted for offences the same as a motorist or cyclist, & breathalysed. So you'd be looking to take the house in compo off the pedestrian here.

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[Emmit]

the police all ready do random breath test ive been stopped twice purely on the grounds of being seen to leave clubs late at night in one instance the officer was carrying the breathalyzer prior to even speaking to me having followed me for 3 miles i was aware of him behind me from the moment i turned out of the club broke no speed limits and genuinley hadnt had a drink for 7 hours and that was one bottle of larger so no way i was still smelling of alcohol from 20 yards away

In strict terms, the Policeman was not complying with drink/drive legislation. The fact that he approached you with machine in hand meant that he had decided to breathalyse you without the necessary power. That is unless he had reasonable cause to suspect you of having alcohol in your body. The fact that he waited for three miles after seeing you come out of premises negates his/her opportunity to use that as a reason.

 

[Kevan]

I drive every day, i have a drink every day, i drink after a drive, but don't drive after i drink, confusing ?

 

[PeteH]

Having genuinely been a victim of a spiked drink i can sympathise, however, as a non drinker, at the time, i realised by my behaviour that it had happened. was the designated driver too, so spiker had a long walk home.
I don't drink if i am going to drive, nursed too many children injured as a result of drink.
Don Quixote, my asthma inhaler is propelled by an alcohol compound, no alternative available, so think a zero ban could be detrimental to some people.

THAT IS, the issue with a zero Alcohol level. there are med`s out there with small amounts of Alcohol derived substances in them. Why sentence SICK people to being unable to drive?. A lot of sick people rely on their vehicle(s) to get the to and from (eg'?) Appointments, and have no partner / family member to assist!. many live in rural area`s Like mine, where we see "public" transport NEVER.

I was once some years back, a "test subject" for an "off Road" test to see just how alcohol effected the control of a vehicle. (an electric cart actually!). of the test subject(s) four of us out of 10 actually performed as well with NO alcohol and the equivalent of 4 times the (then current) Limit.

I am no way advocating drinking and driving, But the "Absolutist" Idea would not make any significant difference to current levels. because the "person" who PERSISTENTLY drives over the limit, will still do it. All you will do is "get" the average Joe who had a glass of wine with his/her meal. The recent reduction in Scotland, has had only one measurable effect so far. Several rural pubs have now closed, their Staff unemployed, and the Licensee`s out of business.

It was obvious that once the "Do Good" Brigade had Killed Fox hunting, and Smoking, they would turn their sights on "The Demon Drink". Something to think about? The rise of organised crime in the USA came about largely as result of PROHIBITION. When Prohibition ended they had the funds to employ the lawyers to launder money and to go into Drug`s, Prostitution, and Protection in even greater style.

Pete

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[PeteH]

Nope it doesn't happen all the time.. it would be nice if there were enough police to do random traffic stops on everyone for no reason...

It would be even better if they where following up on Burglary, Vandalism, Sexual assault, and maybe throwing a few illegals in the jail?

Pete

 

[sdc77]

That would be why are jails are so empty...
Oh they're not.

 

[PeteH]

Isn't it rather unwise for people to patronise such establishments, knowing what they are like? Isn't it even more unwise to leave glasses on tables where they can be spiked given all the warnings that are broadcast about not doing so?

As a Young "Sailor", they are EXACTLY the type of place we would frequent.!!. And I seriously doubt if "life" has changed that much in the last 50 years!!. I (vaguely, I am Old!!!) remember that the "danger" and "excitement" of such similar "dives", In UK and foreign Ports, was part of what we saw as a "rite of passage". Getting totally "loaded" in place as far apart as Hong Kong or Singapore, Buenos Aires, and Galveston, for example was not at all uncommon!, if bloody expensive!!.

Pete

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[Tootles]

Ah yes I forgot Guilty till proven innocent

She is guilty. She admitted she was guilty. The only way to avoid a drink drive conviction is to refuse to take the roadside breath test.

 

[gus-lopez]

That would be why are jails are so empty...
Oh they're not.

No they are only 50% full. Those already in should be on chain gangs 12 hrs day leaving room for same amount again.

 

[Wildbill]

I personally do not advocate drink driving the current limit is abut right.
A zero tolerance or zero limit would probably find someone who has eaten fruit and it ferments in the digestive system being band.
I lost a very close family member who was killed two years ago today by a drunk texting driver.
my nice will never get over the loss of her son and a little girl will never see her daddy.
to aide to that my nice lost both her sons to road traffic accidents on different occasion.
I personally wont touch drink if I am going to drive and think that the attached link article in the OP is someone trying to get off with committing drink driving offence
bill

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[sdc77]

She is guilty. She admitted she was guilty. The only way to avoid a drink drive conviction is to refuse to take the roadside breath test.

If you refuse to take a roadside breath test.. then you will be arrested for failing to provide. If you the refuse at the police station you will be charged with failing to provide .. which is a drink drive conviction

 

[GJH]

As a Young "Sailor", they are EXACTLY the type of place we would frequent.!!. And I seriously doubt if "life" has changed that much in the last 50 years!!. I (vaguely, I am Old!!!) remember that the "danger" and "excitement" of such similar "dives", In UK and foreign Ports, was part of what we saw as a "rite of passage". Getting totally "loaded" in place as far apart as Hong Kong or Singapore, Buenos Aires, and Galveston, for example was not at all uncommon!, if bloody expensive!!.

Pete

Doesn't make it wise though

 

[PeteH]

Doesn't make it wise though

Never said is was Wise!!. Probably extremely STUPID. But as we are all aware, Young, Fit, Male?, High Testosterone?. at that stage of life you are only vulnerable to "Kryptonite" in your own mind!

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[mitzimad]

In strict terms, the Policeman was not complying with drink/drive legislation. The fact that he approached you with machine in hand meant that he had decided to breathalyse you without the necessary power. That is unless he had reasonable cause to suspect you of having alcohol in your body. The fact that he waited for three miles after seeing you come out of premises negates his/her opportunity to use that as a reason.

i did have a lengthy discussion with the officer regarding this point but obviously had to take the test

 

[GJH]

Never said is was Wise!!. Probably extremely STUPID. But as we are all aware, Young, Fit, Male?, High Testosterone?. at that stage of life you are only vulnerable to "Kryptonite" in your own mind!

I led a much more sheltered life than that of a sailor

 

[Emmit]

i did have a lengthy discussion with the officer regarding this point but obviously had to take the test

A very wise decision. A clear conscience is a much better defence to drink/driving than trying to argue the principal of "Reasonable cause to suspect" in a Court several months later.
Dash cams can be a good ally though.
P.S. The Officer could, of course claim, quite rightly that he took the machine as part of his equipment and that, should he have discovered by speaking to you that he suspected alcohol, (smelling it on your breath) then he would not have had to return to the vehicle thereby giving you 'space' to possibly flee the scene.

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[Tootles]

which is a drink drive conviction

Sorry, it's not. The offence is ' ‘failure to cooperate with a preliminary test’. As far as your (next, following the ban), insurance rating is concerned, this is not being intoxicated in charge of a motor vehicle. You just need the nuts to say 'No thank you' when told your required to provide a sample..............If your pretty sure you will be over

 

[Tootles]

but obviously had to take the test

No you don't.

 

[sdc77]

Sorry, it's not. The offence is ' ‘failure to cooperate with a preliminary test’. As far as your (next, following the ban), insurance rating is concerned, this is not being intoxicated in charge of a motor vehicle. You just need the nuts to say 'No thank you' when told your required to provide a sample..............If your pretty sure you will be over

I don't really understand what youre saying tbh. If you refuse to take a roadside breath test you will be arrested for failing to. You will then be takes to a police station and given a chance to provide 2 samples on a prescribed device.. if you refuse or fail to take that test then you will be charged with failing to. That is a drink drive conviction (if you're convicted obviously)

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[Jim]

I've always understood that failing to provide a specimen is the same as failing. You get a Drink Drive conviction.

 

[Stroppy Bird]

I've always understood that failing to provide a specimen is the same as failing. You get a Drink Drive conviction.

Yep - drink drive convictions on your licence are code DR** The code for failing to provide a specimen for breath test is DR70.

https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endorsements/endorsement-codes-and-penalty-points

 

[Jim]

Yep - drink drive convictions on your licence are code DR** The code for failing to provide a specimen for breath test is DR70.

https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endorsements/endorsement-codes-and-penalty-points

Reading that, Tootles may have a point, failing to provide gets you less points, just 4

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