andy63
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I've told you what I believe until someone can convince me otherwise.So whats the right answer?
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I've told you what I believe until someone can convince me otherwise.So whats the right answer?
I dont believe that's right John. . That would apply if the vehicle was a goods vehicle ..and certain mh''s may fall within that definition depending on what they carry and their use ,but if they are registeed as a motor caravan the oly criteria that governs their max allowed speed is seating capacity which doesn't usually come into the equation and their unladen weight..
Andy..
I don't know but can't see why that would be the case..I thought motorhomes over 3500k were registered as Private HGV not motor caravan!
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I don't know but can't see why that would be the case..
There are loads of vehicles in that bracket ie over 3.5T used as motorhomes so someone will tell us what their V5 shows..
I'm sure I was reading info on a vosa site referring to the subject and the phrase was regardless of weight so I assumed a motorcara van could be over 3.5 T and registered as such..
Andy.
So your the bast@rd I keep getting stuck behind.well i say 30mph . on duall drive at 40mph . on motorways still drive slowly 50mph .
enjoy the drive .
They are, but its for revenue purposes only.I thought motorhomes over 3500k were registered as Private HGV not motor caravan!
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oh well better keep doing it till they change the law.we get extra points if we can build up a big line of vehicles . then pull over and wave at them . its all in the name of fun.So your the bast@rd I keep getting stuck behind.
Seriously....too slow is just as dangerous as too fast.....and 30mph in a national speed limit area is too slow.
It causes other drivers frustration and to take unnecessary risks to overtake
They are, but its for revenue purposes only.
They are, or should be, registered as a motor caravan on the V5 under the heading Body type.
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if the body type is motor caravan and the unladen weight is not over 3050kg then regardless of taxation class i.e. PLG or PHG then i assumed the speed limits as stated would apply.. thats just the way I've read it but have no experience of such a case...I'm not sure but from reading posts on this and other forums, the VED is less for a motorhome over 3500 as it is then a Private HGV so my reasoning would be that speeding and other regulations would follow suit.
Could be an on going debate.So which speed limits apply if for one set of rules it is a motor caravan and for another it is a Private HGV?
That really is the shittest attitude its possible to have Alan.just go slow wind the go faster boys and girls up.
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So I guess that brings us back to unloaded weigh, and higher speed limits, not gross weight.
Motorhomes
Motorhomes or motor caravans are classed as goods vehicles if they:
- carry goods for exhibition and sale
- are used as a workshop
- are used for storage
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Well our Unladen weight is more than 3050 which ever way you look at it and we don't carry good so pretty straight forward.So I guess that brings us back to unloaded weigh, and higher speed limits, not gross weight.
but you do carry goods or burden . the goods are your goods . they may not be for sale or hire but they are goods . food , clothes . etc . are goods or burden.Well our Unladen weight is more than 3050 which ever way you look at it and we don't carry good so pretty straight forward.
And it won't do 70 mph, or if it will I wouldn't want to be in it at the time.
Martin
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but you do carry goods or burden . the goods are your goods . they may not be for sale or hire but they are goods . food , clothes . etc . are goods or burden.
this was defined way back in 91 when i first got involved in transport law.
its not my fault you didnt allow time for your journey.That really is the shittest attitude its possible to have Alan.
A total lack of consideration for other road users.
Really not impressed.
I hope I don't have the misfortune of getting stuck behind you.
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You you...............its not my fault you didnt allow time for your journey.
but then possibly you didnt allow for accidents etc . but i could say are you annoyed really because you arent a professional driver. and cant have any knowledge of transport management.
possibly just a joy rider or boy racer. hee hee .
have fun , smile your on candid camera.
if the body type is motor caravan and the unladen weight is not over 3050kg then regardless of taxation class i.e. PLG or PHG then i assumed the speed limits as stated would apply.. thats just the way I've read it but have no experience of such a case...
if i decided to up rate my payload by up plating the gross weight would increase to over 3.5t.. but my original unladen weight wouldn't change and i thought my max speed limits as they apply now would remain the same even though the taxation class would change .
if i get the time ill read some more.. but hope someone else who is in this situation can clarify the point..
andy.
Reading that if the taxation class is privete hgv (over 3500kg) you might also have to have a speed limiter fitted.
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I would agree that would be the logical answer but in a piece of legislation that uses 'unladen weight' as a defining parameter, which has been dropped from practically all other legislation and is largely undefinable, I am not sure that logic applies
Reading that if the taxation class is privete hgv (over 3500kg) you might also have to have a speed limiter fitted.
According to that a 5000kg motorhome can drive at the higher speed as long as it has an unladen weight of 3050kg or less.
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According to that a 5000kg motorhome can drive at the higher speed as long as it has an unladen weight of 3050kg or less.
If such a vehicle existed then that's correct in my view..According to that a 5000kg motorhome can drive at the higher speed as long as it has an unladen weight of 3050kg or less.
Spot on!According to that a 5000kg motorhome can drive at the higher speed as long as it has an unladen weight of 3050kg or less.
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