Motorhome parking Ban

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  1. alcorn54

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    I have just learnt tonight Bamburgh Council and the castle management have banned Motorhome parking completly this year on the beach car parks and fitted hight restriciton barriers,they claim the area is in an area of scientific interest and we are damaging it,but have not stoped other vehicels using the car park ,so to me they are basically saying we are not wanted.

    I have stopped a couple of times in these car parks and overnighted on occasions,a truly wonderful,wonderful area,. I love this stretch of coast line very much and I am very sorry if I offended the castle management or anyone of the locals by wanting to take in and share a little of the beauty they wake up to every day. I am honestly so sad I have now been stopped completly and staying on occasions in such a wonderful location.

    The reason we stopped here was it was so rural ,beautiful ,unrestricted,pleasant and totally relaxing and there were no notices telling me it wasn’t allowed. And before somebody says it was nothing to do with it being free .

    We ate in the local pubs and visited other local places too and usually ended up chatting to the locals,and walkers . Who by the way never mentioned or objected to us staying there, we always mentioned to them what a wonderful place it was to visit and how much we loved being here they always agreed.

    I can also honestly say I have never ever seen up to 20 motor-homes on this site ever as the castle management claims. And I have been coming here for years before I got my van,probably before the current mangment were even installed here ,the most ever seen by me was about 5 over two car park sites the year before last.! But to be fair I don’t go there every day.

    I have however seen 100's and 100's of cars,motorcyles van etc coming and going ,plus on the odd ocassion people here having beach barbecues on a night ,and basically enjoying their selves.

    So can somebody please explain to me why in an area of scientific interest why my motorhome or owners causes more damage than other people or vehicles and therfor should be banned from parking at anytime and refused entry?

    Or is it something that happens overnight in a motorhome that causes problems to the wild life,or do motorhomes effect the landscape in some way I don’t know about ? In fact I believe it the opositte ,I have spent hundreds of pounds going green,installing solar panels etc. and reducing my carbon footprint,And I can honestly say I have never left a scrap of rubbish or waste on any site I visit or indeed never seen any type of rubbish being left behind by a Motorhome owner..We visited the castle on each occasion and noticed its newly tarmacked coach park,but I suppose this area of the castle grounds isn’t in an area of scientific inteAnd dosnt warant hight restriction barriers..

    Putting hight restriction barriers in place in reality only restricts motorhomes from entering and is blatant discrimination to us as road tax payers and as far as I am aware discrimination any kind in the UK is against the law.

    To stop any law abiding tax paying person visiting or enjoying this fantastic stretch of coast line or any area of our country in my opinion is criminal . Bamburgh Council and the castle management should honestly be ashamed of themselves after all it is only the opinion of a member of the castle management that have done this . The management of the castle obversely are of the opinion we are a problem and have brought pressure on the planning office to allow these alterations to take place .

    Maybe we should try to persuade the same they are wrong in their opinion and object to the council and to urge the planning department to reverse their decision,or at least ask for a full explanation why the decision was taken to ban us from this area. After all its our country and our coastline and at the end of the day our heritage too.


    Alan
     
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    So it would seem that if your car is to tall it does damage the area, hence the height barriers, if you can get underneath, then you do no damage at all, make sense now:Doh:
     
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    I've always assumed that the height barriers in many of the UKs coastal areas were to stop travelling people taking over car parks. I've also assumed that councils won't be able to state that so bluntly so use 'other explanations'.
     
  4. John & Joan

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    This is not a new situation here. Lord Armstrong does not like caravans and Motorhomes. Back in the 1970s he banned all of his Tennant's in the area from allowing caravans on their farms. He got a small farm site just down from Bamborough opposite the Coastguard lookout, closed down because it could be seen from the castle.

    We stopped on the Wynding and he phone the local police to come and move us on at that time.

    I tried again having a few days on the Northumberland coast in September 2010 and had someone complain about us parking in a car park and a gentleman from Northumberland county council was sent to see us. He said he was sick of a particular person always complaining of any Motorhome stopping in that car park and he had to come out st see what was happening and move people on. He said if we stayed anywhere on a car park the same thing would happen. Most sites were closed for the season and the local CLs were fully booked. I said at the time about Northumberland "nice place, pity it was closed". It would definitely appear that we are not welcome.

    John
     
  5. GJH

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    First point to make is that there is no such organisation as Bamburgh Council. The local authority for the area is the unitary Northumberland County Council.

    Second point is that the castle and its car parks are privately owned and the decision to ban motorhomes is nothing to do with planning permission or Northumberland County Council. As regards other car parks in the county, which are owned by NCC, reasons why overnighting is not allowed were provided to me by the predecessors to NCC and are published on my parking web site.

    Third point is that the situation at Bamburgh, and the valid reasons why the ban was enforced, were discussed in This Thread last year. I see that a very similar post to the OP on this thread has been made there.

    This is a clear case of the few selfish motorhome users spoiling the situation for the majority of us by their unacceptable behaviour.
     
  6. Landy lover

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    I think that at times there are apparent movements or hate campaigns being waged against different sectors - as the owner of a working 4x4 I have been on the wrong end of a few uncalled for and well un-informed comments - as a caravan owner I have had many equally daft comments made and put the two together and you become a target - none of which worries me. One thing that does annoy me is the height restrictions imposed generally at 2 metres which consistently block my Land Rover 110 and most people carriers and many larger saloon cars with roof boxes on. We were at Bamborough last June and had a fantastic day. However if we are now precluded by height it will be one less visitor they will have to suffer next year so as alway their loss is someone elses gain:thumb:
     
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    The worst offenders in any car parks; are 'chavs' with their 'hot hatch's' pulling in to eat their KFC''s, then throwing the waste out of the doors, before driving off again. The second lot are young families. Who seem happy to let the kids push crisp bags and sweet wrappers out of the window (better than on the floor of the car, eh!), whilst the parents change the youngests nappy, neatly bundle it, and throw that in a discreet corner as well.

    If places like BC insist on excluding the likes of us from their property, a concerted effort should be made to let them know how much money they and the local area stand to miss out on, and to be told there will be steps taken to actively boycott their place even if the likes of us do manage to get parked or pitched in the area.

    We visited the area last year, even visited the castle (which wasnt my thing personally), and spent a good amount of money in the local economy. Had i known BC was up to these dirty tricks, id not have gone near the place!
     
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    Hi

    Your perception of young families and chavs is the same as many non motorhomers have for motorhomers .. while it's sometimes true, it does not make it a rule .. but it only takes one to give the group a bad name.. unfortunately some 'off site' campers ( I refuse to use the term 'wild campers' unless it is truly in 'the wild' ) have given ALL a bad name.. I can't see this perception changing any time soon.

    There are members on here , including myself, who have young families who would not do as you describe..
     
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    Point taken Jim. Weve also been a 'young family' ourselves in the past, and didnt do what ive described. But, if you look at what litters a lot of out of the way car parks, its fast food rubbish, crisp wrappers and shitty nappies.

    Im not naive enough to think everyone who rolls up in a MH (or caravan for that matter) are always the tidiest beings on earth, but when you look at whats in front of you (on the ground) it often points to certain groups of users.

    Mick.
     
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    It must be me, but I see on here an awful lot of whining about this sort of thing.

    Look, it's a BIG country, why don't we explore some of it - I know I do.

    If people don't want us, then we can take our financial muscle elsewhere - simple really.

    just my opinion at the end of the day..................
     
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    Hi Mick

    Yes , fair point , .. but there are millions of cars visiting car parks every day in comparison to the number of campers.. but it only takes one to get them all a bad name..

    I have seen campers empty toilets in the sand dunes or behind bushes .. but I don't accept that it's the 'norm' .. but it only takes one and the perception is set, .. a load of blue and crap is a much bigger health hazzard than crisp packets or cans.. it's also a lot harder to clear up..

    This discussion will rumble on for ever.. as it has in the past .. I don't know the answer. :Sad:
     
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    Not sure about the "Lord Armstrong" bit. If Wiki is to be believed there is no such title any longer.

    Lord Armstrong was the grandson of Sir William Henry Watson, Baron of the Exchequer, by his wife Anne, sister of the first Baron of the first creation. He was succeeded by his son, the second Baron. He unsuccessfully contested Berwick-on-Tweed as an independent candidate in the 1918 general election. The title became extinct in 1987 on the death of his son, the third Baron.
     
  13. John & Joan

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    Hi Wildman

    The time I was talking about was 1975/6 when he was in residence at Bamborough Castle.

    The present management of the castle are apparently discriminating agaist larger vehicles. Their reasons my seem sound to them. Personally I feel they are wrong. After Septembers visit I will be giving all the Northumberlad coast a miss from now on.

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    If it were "only" litter which caused the problems then perhaps it would be easier to find a solution. Unfortunately that is not the case.

    I have contacted a heck of a lot of people to build up the information on my web site and have found that there are all sorts of reasons why overnighting by motorhomes is banned in many places.

    One contact told me that a height barrier had been introduced because staff had been verbally abused and threatened on more than one occasion when they had tried to explain to motorhome owners that overnighting was not allowed.

    We have no right to expect that people, whether working for private organisations or public authorities, should put up with that sort of behaviour any more than we would put up with it at home.
     
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    Furthering the trashing car parks theme; in New Zealand, the local 'hot hatch' drivers swill diesel around the paved out of town parks, so they can do 'doughnuts' in them. This is on top of their fast food rubbish they leave! They have a universal 'bad name'.
     
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    SWMBO and I (the staff) were just talking about a weekend around the Farne Islands in May so the Grandson (bless) can experience the joys of being dive bombed by terns. Probable cost more than a channel crossing.

    Does anyone know if there are height restriction on the car parks around Seahouses.
     
  17. GJH

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    When I contacted the former Berwick-upon-Tweed council a few years ago they said that motorhomes could be accommodated in the overflow car park at Seahouses as it doesn't have marked bays.

    The parking orders of the former districts have been replaced by NCC now - see Here for download - and it looks like the policy is the same (strictly speaking the max weight is 3.05 tonnes unladen).

    There are contact details for NCC on that same web page if you want to make sure.
     
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    Personally I love height barriers never had a problem with them, being less than 2 meters high I can fit under, no problem. There are far worst restrictions to stop nuisance parkers than height barriers.
    Am I being selfish, definitely?
    But then I don’t abuse my ability to go anywhere stay anywhere. Unlike a growing number of motor homers who under the banner of freedom of choice are completely spoiling miles of our coastline. Any town or village that doesn’t sanction and enforce draconian laws or methods will become abused by huge numbers of these motor homers, that just like to do it on the cheap. It’s not the chaves it’s not the 4x4s or cars that are taking advantage of a free ride. It’s the motor homers.:Doh:
    Studland bay, Aldeburgh, Southwold, Devon, Cornwall Dorset all areas where we could once sit in our motor homes and enjoy a meal :cry:even the occasional overnight have been restricted through continued abuse by ourselves in our motor homes.. This will continue until we are restricted from every decent spot in the country. You are not only spoiling it for yourselves, you are spoiling it for the thousands of responsible motor homers who abide by the rules, so who are the selfish ones.:Confused:
    Could I introduce you to something that you possibly haven’t come across. They are called campsites most are adjacent to nice areas but sorry there is a charge for staying overnight..:Cool:
     
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    Bit of a weak argument landy. How many cars 4x4 or not can you name that can’t get under a 2m bar.. I can’t think of one. If you really want to visit somewhere beyond a 2m height barrier then take your top box off. Your land rover is not restricted, it’s only the top box. Motor homes don’t have a choice they are restricted full stop. To attempt to drag cars with roof racks into the argument in my opinion is a none starter.:Doh:
     
  20. alcorn54

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    Whining??

    Whining on? not really ,parking just because it is free (nope)

    I for one visit here because it is a wonderfull place ,and a beautiful location and I am very anoyed because exuses are being used to stop us using the facilities provided to others .

    We are now efectivally stoped completly usesing these sites because it is said up to 20 motorhomes have been seen here together . I visit here regually with my wife in my car and have done for years also ocassionally in my motorhome and have never ever seen this amount parked up whether overnight or day parked!

    But even if there was this amount what differance does a motorhome make to these areas,they are used and have been designated beach car parks for years and years and no signs have ever been erected (as far as I am aware) stating **NO parking for Motorhomes** . Why now are they an area of scientific interest? the exuse that was origonaly made for stoping Motorhomes parking. Hundreds and hundreds of other vehicles use these sites daily during the summer and winter ,dont they come with tyres on there vehicles,family with food ,and ultimatly rubbish is left ,and are they stoped NO!!. Have they been stoped from accessing or using the site during the night (NO!) .24hr access available to all exept us!

    Most and I say most Motorhome users are respectfull law abidding people and I would say are very respectfull of there surroundings and always take care of the surroundings and remove rubbish.

    I,m sorry I got the council wrong and I am the first to admit I am not as literate as some on here but at the end of the day I stand on what I said origonaly,and I hope what I have said dosnt offend anyone But I feel and believe who ever it was who authorised the instalation of hight restriction barriers has got it totally wrong,they have effectivally banned hundreds of people using this facility for no ligitamate reason and I genuinely feel it is without doubt discrimanating against me personaly and other motorhome users.

    Why shouldnt I/We be allowed to visit and enjoy areas of natural beauty without this hassle. Alan

    OH sorry one last thing ,it must have had somthing to do with the planning authority ,as far as I am aware you cant just erect barriers even on if privatly owened land without permision from the local planning department.
     
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