help with sump drain plug

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  1. Hayleylulu

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    :Doh:came to drain oil out to day put cant undue the sump plug on my fiat ducato panel van any one had this problem and how did you undue it
     
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    They are usually stiff, are you using the correct socket on a ratchet?
     
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    yep and pulling my b-----ks out and wont move
     
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    Get the correct Socket.Cheap sockets tend to round off the corners.

    A sharp tap with a copper faced hammer should loosen it.

    Straight on the head of the socket.

    Then use a torque wrench and slowly turn.

    Sounds like some person has severely overtightened it.

    Try some wd40 overnight.

    Good Luck.:thumb:
     
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    As it's upside down I wonder if you are tightening it instead of undoing it. It should go anti-clockwise when looking at the plug. They are often a taper thread so as soon as it starts to move it should come undone easily. As suggested above using a torque wrench should give ample leverage to undo it.

    Phil.
     
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    Loads of penetrating spray

    then I bought a Allen key socket that fits onto my torque wrench, which is longer than a normal ratchet giving me more leverage:thumb:

    Alan H
     
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    Some Duc's have a 17mm headed plug, some 19mm ( my first one had a 21mm one !! but I think that was just weird ! ), and some, like Alans, have a hex key

    Warm up the area with a hot air gun ( I use a black and decker one.. it takes a wee while but by the cringe can it get things hot ! ) and if it is the normal bolt type, get a 6 pointed socket ( Halfrauds or any half decent tool stockists ) rather than the more normal 12 pointed thing.

    If plug uses hex key, do the warming up thing again and as Alan said, a good quality hex socket attachment .

    Reading this back I should make it clear you heat up all around the plug not directly on the plug its self.. As a final last ditch thing, you can get small tins of what is basically CO2 from a lot of car accessory shops .. Once the area around the plug has been heated up ( and do take your time and get it bloody hot ! ) carefully direct the freezer spray on the sump plug ..
    Then go large with the socket of hex key !


    Last thing ( sorry ! )
    If all else fails you can get pumps that will suck the oil out of the sump via the dipstick hole.
    Sounds weird but tis true ( I bought one primarily for the Smart Car as they do not evenn have a sump plug, but it has been used on all sorts of vehicles since ! )
     
  8. Rickboy

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    On the topic of sumps>RUST!!!

    Great post above!!

    You need a sharp jolt more than a long levered pull.You could try mole grips or plumbers stilsons if the plug is rounded off.

    Dont go too mad or you will break the bond between the threaded insert and sump.
    An air gun is ideal for undoing these.(Tyre shop)

    When you refit the plug use a new washer so it does not have to be too tight to be oil tight.(You can get new plugs from accessory shops)

    CHECK THE SUMP FOR RUST ITS ACOMMON PROBLEM ON DUATOS/BOXERS
    IF YOU FIND RUST,DONT GO TOO MAD SCRAPING IT OFF OR YOU WILL GO THROUGH THE SUMP!!! And then you will be cross.
    Treat with "JENOLITE" or "KURUST" and repaint with heaproof paint,all available for
    Halfords and the like.

    Good luck.Rick
     
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    if all the above fail you could do what i had to do with my Transit.
    The plug was all rounded off thanks to previous owners so i tack welded a bit of angle onto the plug and off it came.
    It must be said this is probably known as a last ditch method though lol
    :Laughing:
     
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    Slightly off-topic, but "Ducato" means a Dukedom or Duchy (in Italian). Except in Italy, not a lot of people know that, so you bunch can show off...like me.

    Thanks, though.
     
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    As a very last ditch attempt take the sump pan off, then grip the plug in a vice and twist the pan..

    I had to do this on a Volvo 760, messy job but in the plus side I was able to clean years of dirt and sludge from the pan..

    jim
     
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    Eat more Weetabix Martin... If that doesn't work send Lynn under it with a hammer and chisel...:Cool:

    JJ
     
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    I think in this case Ducato may be preceded with an F...... or B..... as well.
     
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    sump plug

    i always use a large ring spanner and put one end over the allen key or socket wrench for extra leverage,
    also a pipe over the the socket handle or allen key gives the same leverage,
    it works every time for me.
     
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    Is the allen key still tight in the plug ?

    From memory it was just quality allen key and steel pipe on the end of it. Then GRUNT.

    Halfords stock new ones.
     
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    unfortunaely jim that doesnt usually work.

    the fiat sump bung 'shoulder' is only around 1/8" thick and relatively soft metal .
    molegrips/vice etc will just slip off and chew the bung shoulder to bits.....i know, you should see mine. :Doh:

    i undid mine, eventually, with the CORRECT hex key, a lot dont fit tightly and will damage the hex, and a 2ft breaker bar.
     
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    tried that as well but the metals too soft !
     
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    I guess it depends on the plug.. someone had butchered the key hole on mine, totally round, mole grips just slipped off.. the vice was a last resort and it worked.. :Wink:
     
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    Hi.
    The last resort would be to buy a new drain plug, then weld a allen key or long bar to the old drain plug, if that doesn’t shift it I’d be very surprised. Refit new drain plug

    Cheers Big Trev
     
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    Don't know if if Ducato is the same, but I got a Saab plug out by putting molegrips on the flange, which had a bigger diameter than the bolt head.
     
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