Tyres — is the CP branding a legal requirement in Europe?

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Apologies if this has been mentioned previously.

Looking at prices for 2 new front tyres for a Ducato based vehicle tag axle currently on Michelin Agilis camper tyres.

One tyre supplier has said not to fit Cross Climate as they are not CP stamped and this is now a legal requirement in Europe

True or false?
 
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Std commercial C rated tyres good enough and legal I belive ( gus-lopez? ) if its good enough for Polish white van man it's good enough for me (y):LOL:

Just fitted a pair of Nexen on the front of mine

215 x70x 15C.£142 fitted
 
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Bustup15 said:
One tyre supplier has said not to fit Cross Climate as they are not CP stamped and this is now a legal requirement in Europe
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Talking out of his rear end, larger Motorhomes on 7.5t chassis can't use the CP tyres, none made in the size or load rating required.

I fitted Toyo Observe Van winter tyres on my van, far superior to the Michelin CP's that were on there and £50 a tyre cheaper.

If you are going to charge to a standard commercial tyre you should change all 4, I changed the spare as well.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Talking out of his rear end, larger Motorhomes on 7.5t chassis can't use the CP tyres, none made in the size or load rating required.

I fitted Toyo Observe Van winter tyres on my van, far superior to the Michelin CP's that were on there and £50 a tyre cheaper.

If you are going to charge to a standard commercial tyre you should change all 4, I changed the spare as well.
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Same answer here, same tyres too.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Talking out of his rear end, larger Motorhomes on 7.5t chassis can't use the CP tyres, none made in the size or load rating required.

I fitted Toyo Observe Van winter tyres on my van, far superior to the Michelin CP's that were on there and £50 a tyre cheaper.

If you are going to charge to a standard commercial tyre you should change all 4, I changed the spare as well.
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That means 7 new tyres then 😭😭😭
 
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I'd like to know what the actual difference is between CP tyres and 120 commercial tyre???
My suspicion is it's just marketing...?!

On my transit I had 109 on the front legal but not ideal you could see it squish more with the same pressure (50psi) as the 120...

I wouldn't be surprised if cp were rebadged 120c tyres.
 
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Bustup15 said:
That means 7 new tyres then 😭😭😭
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I don't think you really need to do that?
Yes for comfort reasons but for safely no.

Just don't mix across the same axle.
If it's the front which are worn out just replace them- they will give you the greatest upgrade in comfort anyhow.
 
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Even if it was true (which i also dont think it is), a recent thread on here informed that they now make a cross climate camping tyre (y)
However the popular 16" version not due out until June..

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Jamesh said:
I'd like to know what the actual difference is between CP tyres and 120 commercial tyre???
My suspicion is it's just marketing...?!

On my transit I had 109 on the front legal but not ideal you could see it squish more with the same pressure (50psi) as the 120...

I wouldn't be surprised if cp were rebadged 120c tyres.
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Stiffer sidewalls to allow for a fully loaded van sitting still for half the year. Which creates a terrible ride.
They are definitely different as someone who has changed for CP tyres to standard commercial tyres. Far softer ride on the commercials even with a higher load rating.
 
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tonka said:
Even if it was true (which i also dont think it is), a recent thread on here informed that they now make a cross climate camping tyre (y)
However the popular 16" version not due out until June..
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Conti have had a 4 season CP tyre for about a year & the Michelin one has been coming through on new vans.
 
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I’ve just fitted 4 Maxxis MCV3+ on my 4250kg. van. 225/75R16 121. £100 each.My company has recommended 60 psi all round but I might up the rears.

Incidentally, the Michelin CP tyres on before were nearly 9 years old,, but looked new.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Stiffer sidewalls to allow for a fully loaded van sitting still for half the year. Which creates a terrible ride.
They are definitely different as someone who has changed for CP tyres to standard commercial tyres. Far softer ride on the commercials even with a higher load rating.
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Its all I have used on this motorhome since new and have found them to be faultless, very strong, very reliable and had them on some shocking roads/tracks in Morocco and elsewhere. For me its about having the knowledge your tyres are the best available which I find very reassuring when 100's miles from nowhere and in anouther country.
 
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Deep Owl said:
I’ve just fitted 4 Maxxis MCV3+ on my 4250kg. van. 225/75R16 121. £100 each.My company has recommended 60 psi all round but I might up the rears.

Incidentally, the Michelin CP tyres on before were nearly 9 years old,, but looked new.
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Just curious! Did they weigh your m'home or aske for each axle weight before giving you that pressure recommendation. ?

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PhilandMena said:
Its all I have used on this motorhome since new and have found them to be faultless, very strong, very reliable and had them on some shocking roads/tracks in Morocco and elsewhere. For me its about having the knowledge your tyres are the best available which I find very reassuring when 100's miles from nowhere and in anouther country.
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The Conti ones are OK but the Michelins that came on this van were diabolical, horrendous boneshaking ride and terrible grip. Got to the point I was frightened to drive up a hill in the wet. Got rid of them before they were worn out & put put some decent tyres on.
 
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Lenny HB said:
The Conti ones are OK but the Michelins that came on this van were diabolical, horrendous boneshaking ride and terrible grip. Got to the point I was frightened to drive up a hill in the wet. Got rid of them before they were worn out & put put some decent tyres on.
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I have no experience of the Michelins as I use Continentals. I am surprised at your post as I always regarded Michelin camper tyres on par with the Continental camper and as such the two best camper van tyres in the marketplace. Such is life I guess !
 
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tonka said:
Even if it was true (which i also dont think it is), a recent thread on here informed that they now make a cross climate camping tyre (y)
However the popular 16" version not due out until June..
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That will be irritating if true, I recently put 4 Crossclimate on (£620) after writing to Michelin to query why they don't have a CP all-season tyre and the answer was like '".. well we don't".
 
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I had Micheline Agilis Campers on my a-class. Supposed to be run at 80psi, even though it's a 3.5t. Truly horrible ride. Dropping it to 60psi made it marginally better. Even though they were only a year old and had 10k miles on, I swapped them for Continental VanContact 4Season. Continental provide a guidebook that says with my axle weights, I can run 50psi. Now I can drive without having my teeth rattled out and it doesn't feel as skittish on the ruts on the motorway. With the added bonus that they work well on wet grass and are 3-peaks rated for snow.
 
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ToBoldlyGo said:
That will be irritating if true, I recently put 4 Crossclimate on (£620) after writing to Michelin to query why they don't have a CP all-season tyre and the answer was like '".. well we don't".
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Hello, hope you'll excuse me if I jump in.
I'm looking to replace my shockingly harsh ride, 10 year old Michelins for the Toyos as recommended by Lenny but I'm told that stock is limited,as production runs tend to be made later in the year, ready for winter.
There are some available on fleebay but I'd want to check build dates before I committed to a big spend.
The normal eco van tyres are available & I was wondering if anyone has experience of these.
Thanks.
Barrie.
 
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bjandlin said:
Hello, hope you'll excuse me if I jump in.
I'm looking to replace my shockingly harsh ride, 10 year old Michelins for the Toyos as recommended by Lenny but I'm told that stock is limited,as production runs tend to be made later in the year, ready for winter.
There are some available on fleebay but I'd want to check build dates before I committed to a big spend.
The normal eco van tyres are available & I was wondering if anyone has experience of these.
Thanks.
Barrie.
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How about Toyo open country...
I have these on my van and they aren't at all aggressive much less than they look in pictures.

Less so than a typical winter tyre tbh.

Just a thought...
 
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ToBoldlyGo said:
That will be irritating if true, I recently put 4 Crossclimate on (£620) after writing to Michelin to query why they don't have a CP all-season tyre and the answer was like '".. well we don't".
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I share your irritation! We've just booked and paid for 4 new Cross Climates to be fitted to ours on Monday.
However if the 16" ones aren't going to be available until June then that softens it a bit...our current Agilis CPs have some cracks (no idea how old they are: the MHs a 17 plate so at least 5 years) and we've got a 3k mile trip booked for May/June so we really wanted them done before we go.
 
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PhilandMena said:
Just curious! Did they weigh your m'home or aske for each axle weight before giving you that pressure recommendation. ?
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They didn’t weigh. Their suggestion was based on the DPD vans they fit, but my feeling is that the weight on those varies a lot more than my ‘van. I’m thinking of 4 bar front, maybe 5 bar rear.
My Michelins started at 5.5 all round, and ended at 3.5 and 5!

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Deep Owl said:
They didn’t weigh. Their suggestion was based on the DPD vans they fit, but my feeling is that the weight on those varies a lot more than my ‘van. I’m thinking of 4 bar front, maybe 5 bar rear.
My Michelins started at 5.5 all round, and ended at 3.5 and 5!
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I.M.O. they are misleading you (and others) with inaccurate information. To establish the correct tyre pressures you need to weigh both axles then give these weights to the tyre manufacture who should tell you the pressures for your tyres. My Continental Camper van tyres have a maximum pressure rating of 80 PSI stamped on each tyre but this has nothing to do with the pressure the tyre should be run at.
Continental produce a technical manual which contains the correct tyre pressure for their tyres dependant on axle load. I attache a copy for your information.

 
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When I was ringing around I was quoted the Michelin Cross Climate stamped CP and in stock (allegedly)

Opted for standard Cross Climate based on the ride quality of the original CP tyres and went to have them fitted today. One wheel off and on the machine when I happened to see the new tyres, Agilis Camper not Cross Climate 😲. Original wheel refitted and now waiting for correct tyres to be delivered.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Talking out of his rear end, larger Motorhomes on 7.5t chassis can't use the CP tyres, none made in the size or load rating required.

I fitted Toyo Observe Van winter tyres on my van, far superior to the Michelin CP's that were on there and £50 a tyre cheaper.

If you are going to charge to a standard commercial tyre you should change all 4, I changed the spare as well.
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What you’ve got a spare.🚐
 
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