Trip from hook Holland to zadar

[mick qc]

I’m soon to travel all the way down to Zadar in Croatia. We are looking at going through Holland which I have already booked the ferry.. stopping a few days in Holland then through Germany, Austria, Slovenia and into Croatia.

Looking for some information as regards to tolls and clean air certificates. I have a week or so to sort things out. I have the fulli vignette for when we went through France last year.
Is there something similar that covers Germany and Austria and Croatia?
Thanks in advance

 

[PxJ]

I hope your going to share you adventure on the Forum?

 

[Brains]

I’m soon to travel all the way down to Zadar in Croatia. We are looking at going through Holland which I have already booked the ferry.. stopping a few days in Holland then through Germany, Austria, Slovenia and into Croatia.

Looking for some information as regards to tolls and clean air certificates. I have a week or so to sort things out. I have the fulli vignette for when we went through France last year.
Is there something similar that covers Germany and Austria and Croatia?
Thanks in advance

We did exactly this trip in 2023, Hook to Zadar (and onto Split and Dubrovnik)

Stickers and tolls.

Apply now for the German clean air sticker - Available from the City of Berlin for about €5

Austrian Vignette: Get one! Unless you are driving a massive 9m tag axle just get a normal car vignette from the last Service station in Germany (and the first one on the way back)
The minimum period I think is a week.

Slovenia - The Vignette is on line ONLY, no paper. You MUST apply, on line, before you arrive. Just put in motorhome. Like the Austrians they presume ALL (reasonable sized) motorhomes are under 3.5t

Zadar - It's an experience. Basically an all in resort with multiple pools, bars and restaurants. You just bring your own hotel room!

 

[Jays2]

We did exactly this trip in 2023, Hook to Zadar (and onto Split and Dubrovnik)

Stickers and tolls.

Apply now for the German clean air sticker - Available from the City of Berlin for about €5

Austrian Vignette: Get one! Unless you are driving a massive 9m tag axle just get a normal car vignette from the last Service station in Germany (and the first one on the way back)
The minimum period I think is a week.

Slovenia - The Vignette is on line ONLY, no paper. You MUST apply, on line, before you arrive. Just put in motorhome. Like the Austrians they presume ALL (reasonable sized) motorhomes are under 3.5t

Zadar - It's an experience. Basically an all in resort with multiple pools, bars and restaurants. You just bring your own hotel room!

Is that the same as not telling the truth to your insurance company, and all is ok until you need it, or are pulled over and documents checked?

Is it worth paying for a document that does not serve its purpose?

Why pay at all ?

 

[Brains]

Very roughly
This was our route out and back.

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[Brains]

Is that the same as not telling the truth to your insurance company, and all is ok until you need it, or are pulled over and documents checked?

Is it worth paying for a document that does not serve its purpose?

Why pay at all ?

Austria:
If you have a good navigator, you don't need to pay at all in Austria.
The Austrian Vignette only applies to Motorways and main roads.
However given the fairly small cost, I'd get the Vignette.

As long as you 'look' like the thousands of other foreign motorhomes, nearly all of which are plated as under 3.5t (but in reality are nearly all travelling at well over 3.5t) then the worst that can happen is you get stopped and fined.
(This does not apply if you are driving an 8+m tag axle A class 5 tonnes coach built)

Slovenia - This is genuine. If you are a motorhome, you are classed as a 'camping car'
They do not have a class for the over 3.5t but under HGV motorhome.

German green sticker - Just get one, it will last the life of the windscreen.

I don't see any of the above have any relevance to a UK insurance policy.

 

[WESTY66]

Austria:
If you have a good navigator, you don't need to pay at all in Austria.
The Austrian Vignette only applies to Motorways and main roads.
However given the fairly small cost, I'd get the Vignette.

As long as you 'look' like the thousands of other foreign motorhomes, nearly all of which are plated as under 3.5t (but in reality are nearly all travelling at well over 3.5t) then the worst that can happen is you get stopped and fined.
(This does not apply if you are driving an 8+m tag axle A class 5 tonnes coach built)

Slovenia - This is genuine. If you are a motorhome, you are classed as a 'camping car'
They do not have a class for the over 3.5t but under HGV motorhome.

German green sticker - Just get one, it will last the life of the windscreen.

I don't see any of the above have any relevance to a UK insurance policy.

You’re wrong on Slovenia

Just Google it

Btw Austria are very keen to weigh vehicles, do you feel lucky??
I wouldn’t chance anything that involves Austrian police, that said at 5 tons I’ve never bought a go box either

 

[Brains]

You’re wrong on Slovenia
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Just Google it

Btw Austria are very keen to weigh vehicles, do you feel lucky??
I wouldn’t chance anything that involves Austrian police, that said at 5 tons I’ve never bought a go box either

Unless the Slovenians have updated the system in the last year, we found when we entered our details (Mercedes Sprinter based 3.850 kg, 6.75m vehicle) they classed it as a 'camping car' and we paid the same as an under 3.5t vehicle.

Austria
As I said - it all depends on the 'looks'
We look EXACTLY the same as hundreds of other Van based white boxes.
(6.5-7m Sprinter based) Hymer MLT motorhomes.

Nearly all the ones with German plates crossing the border will be plated at 3.5t,
And I'd guess nearly all of them are actually over 3.5t
We are unusual in being plated at over 3.5t, but just under our actual legal weight.

We have crossed Austria 6 times in the last 4 years in the motorhome.
If we get fined once in ten crossings, it may still have been worth it.

(We have family connections in Austria, we are there most Christmases, my younger siblings, now in their 50's, have only spent the Pandemic Christmas of 2020 outside of Austria, so in the long term, if I ever get fined, the loser will be the Austrian economy).

 

[WESTY66]

We have crossed Austria 6 times in the last 4 years in the motorhome.
If we get fined once in ten crossings, it may still have been worth it.
if I ever get fined, the loser will be the Austrian economy).

We enter Austria at Kufstein and go all the way down to Villach and have done numerous times, I don’t buy vignette or go box. That said I would never go on the motorways or expressways, always use the back roads, even over the tops to Slovenia, wouldn’t trust the Austrian police to have a soft side.
All that said I think I look over 3.5t

 

[mick qc]

Thanks fo all the help

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[Simon Meadwell]

Make sure if over 3.5 tons you have your certificate of conformity for your van or you will be charged as a 40 ton truck like we were in Austria.

 

[Jays2]

Austria:
If you have a good navigator, you don't need to pay at all in Austria.
The Austrian Vignette only applies to Motorways and main roads.
However given the fairly small cost, I'd get the Vignette.

As long as you 'look' like the thousands of other foreign motorhomes, nearly all of which are plated as under 3.5t (but in reality are nearly all travelling at well over 3.5t) then the worst that can happen is you get stopped and fined.
(This does not apply if you are driving an 8+m tag axle A class 5 tonnes coach built)

Slovenia - This is genuine. If you are a motorhome, you are classed as a 'camping car'
They do not have a class for the over 3.5t but under HGV motorhome.

German green sticker - Just get one, it will last the life of the windscreen.

I don't see any of the above have any relevance to a UK insurance policy.

The relevance is if you pay for a service by not representing the truth, the service you paid for is worthless.

Just raising a point of reference.

 

[mick qc]

Very roughly
This was our route out and back.

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Yes I think that’s the route we are planning. Do you have to book any tunnels or rail crossings on that route?

 

[mick qc]

Is there tolls in Germany and Croatia and is it just as easy to pay when you come to the tolls or is it best to get a toll badge

 

[Brains]

Yes I think that’s the route we are planning. Do you have to book any tunnels or rail crossings on that route?

We booked:

The Stena line Harwich/Hook of Holland night ferry (months) in advance, return ticket, both night sailings with a cabin.

We also tend to book first night and last night campsites, so we know exactly where we need to be by what time.

First Night Outbound: We book Green Camping at Braubach.
It's on the Rhein, (just south of Koblenz) it's nothing special, but it's in a nice area with good views and resturants.
More importantly it's about 5hrs driving from the Hook of Holland.
There is also a Stelplatz at Braubach, so if the campsite is full, you have a backup plan.

Last night Inbound: We always book the Delftsje Hout Campsite for the night before our return date.
It's a 10 min walk to the very nice centre of Delft and 30 mins to the ferry terminal.
The booking needs to be done months in advance in high season.
There is an (unofficial) aire outside the campsite, so you can park there overnight.
You can also park the motorhome there all day, so its where you park between leaving the campsite at 11am and the ferry at 7pm.

Other sites we booked were the campsite at Langenfelt (Camping Otztal)
In my opinion one of the nicest campsites in Europe.

We crossed the Alps southbound over the Timmerjoch pass (Toll at the top), and the very nice little Camping Zogghoff at the bottom on the Italian side

Northbound we crossed the Gross Glockner pass - Only do this if it's a fairly cloudless day, as the views are spectacular, but in heavy cloud would be a waste of time and money.
Take your time, lots of stopping for photo ops, try and avoid the weekends.
Toll is at the north end, and from memory was about €27, but worth the money.

We booked:
Vestar at Rovinj
Camping Falkensteiner at Zadar
and Stobec at Split, (Bus from outside the site to central Split, so by far the best site in Split.)
Where we left the MoHo for a couple of days and went by fast catamaran to Dubrovnik for 3 days and stayed at Edies Sea Rooms

For the return, we tended to book a few days ahead.
Camping Plitvice at Plitvice (amazing waterfalls)
Camping Bled at Bled (great cycling, swimming and walking area)
Lake terrace at Reid on the Wolfgang See (The campsite with the most rules!)
Schloss Aigen at Salzburg - cycling distance to Salzburg

Plus a several others favourite sites, Bamburg, Rothenburg

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[Brains]

Is there tolls in Germany and Croatia and is it just as easy to pay when you come to the tolls or is it best to get a toll badge

No tolls in Germany.
I think from memory there were a couple of tolls in Croatia, but you pay as you exit.
Slovenia - You buy, on line, an ANPR controlled vignette before you arrive.

 

[WESTY66]

We booked:

The Stena line Harwich/Hook of Holland night ferry (months) in advance, return ticket, both night sailings with a cabin.

We also tend to book first night and last night campsites, so we know exactly where we need to be by what time.

First Night Outbound: We book Green Camping at Braubach.
It's on the Rhein, (just south of Koblenz) it's nothing special, but it's in a nice area with good views and resturants.
More importantly it's about 5hrs driving from the Hook of Holland.
There is also a Stelplatz at Braubach, so if the campsite is full, you have a backup plan.

Last night Inbound: We always book the Delftsje Hout Campsite for the night before our return date.
It's a 10 min walk to the very nice centre of Delft and 30 mins to the ferry terminal.
The booking needs to be done months in advance in high season.
There is an (unofficial) aire outside the campsite, so you can park there overnight.
You can also park the motorhome there all day, so its where you park between leaving the campsite at 11am and the ferry at 7pm.

Other sites we booked were the campsite at Langenfelt (Camping Otztal)
In my opinion one of the nicest campsites in Europe.

We crossed the Alps southbound over the Timmerjoch pass (Toll at the top), and the very nice little Camping Zogghoff at the bottom on the Italian side

Northbound we crossed the Gross Glockner pass - Only do this if it's a fairly cloudless day, as the views are spectacular, but in heavy cloud would be a waste of time and money.
Take your time, lots of stopping for photo ops, try and avoid the weekends.
Toll is at the north end, and from memory was about €27, but worth the money.

We booked:
Vestar at Rovinj
Camping Falkensteiner at Zadar
and Stobec at Split, (Bus from outside the site to central Split, so by far the best site in Split.)
Where we left the MoHo for a couple of days and went by fast catamaran to Dubrovnik for 3 days and stayed at Edies Sea Rooms

For the return, we tended to book a few days ahead.
Camping Plitvice at Plitvice (amazing waterfalls)
Camping Bled at Bled (great cycling, swimming and walking area)
Lake terrace at Reid on the Wolfgang See (The campsite with the most rules!)
Schloss Aigen at Salzburg - cycling distance to Salzburg

Plus a several others favourite sites, Bamburg, Rothenburg

That’s my kind of trip

 

[Sean K]

Is there tolls in Germany and Croatia and is it just as easy to pay when you come to the tolls or is it best to get a toll badge

We travelled from Zadar down through croatia to montenegro and Tolls you just pay on exit really easy.