This Should Not Happen

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Yesterday my 2012 6,500 miles van failed its MoT. This is not, for me, a normal occurrence. I'd serviced it over the previous week (Merc B Service) so after a final check on lights I set off confident as ever. It failed because the 'engine' light failed to extinguish. The MoT man gave me 'that look' when I told him it performed as expected when I left home.

So I took my rather embarrassed van home. I have a code reader (nothing special - just a phone app & Bluetooth plug) not expecting much because the engine light can cover a multitude of problems and doesn't always present a helpful code. Anyway this time it did and the code was for Cylinder 5 heater plug failure. Even at that point it could still be other things like the controller or wiring. If you have ever seen the top of a Merc V6 you will understand that although there isn't an engine cover there is a mass of pipes and connectors and an air cleaner box, and the turbo, the turbo silencer, and all its piping. So several hours later and in agony from being bent double to work through the letterbox bonnet opening I was able to see the heater plug, remove its connector, and test it. It was faulty! I think this is the first time I've had such a precise result from any code reader.

I also discovered the reason why it hides until started by the MoT man. Before I did any work I reset the engine warning / code. At the first restart there was a very brief flash-up of the heater plugs symbol (which doesn't normally happen at this time of year). At the second restart the same happened again but the engine warning light stayed on. So it's on a counter - of two! I've come across numerous faults that are on counters but until now I haven't seen one (on a counter) that doesn't count to at least 6.

Anyway - plug is on order and I'm delighted it was all so easy and with a free re-test And, more importantly, not my fault :smiley: .
 
I didn’t even know that the engine light being on would be an mot failure. You learn summink new every day!(y)
 
Yes. My brother found out the hard way that engine management light is a failure on an old Punto.
 
I didn’t even know that the engine light being on would be an mot failure. You learn summink new every day!(y)
There aren't many (or maybe any) warning lights that don't cause a fail. Anything safety or emissions related will do so. My last incident was with the airbag warning on my Mothers car. It came on about 10 or 15 minutes from a cold start which is why it caught me out. The MoT man told me to bring it back when it was cold - all he needed was to see one start with the light behaving normally. So I did as asked which gave me more time (12 months :smiley: ) to find the fault. That was another lucky one - the code reader said it was the airbag ECU so I removed said ECU. Being curious (and not because I thought I could fix it) I took the lid off. The only screw holding it on seemed loose as I undid it. Further examination of the screw revealed that when tightened it pulled a metal tab in contact with another tab connected to the circuit board. So I reassembled it and tightened the screw normally and the fault was gone. A new ECU was £300+ ( 2nd hand around £35-£50) and it's likely that a garage would simply have changed it.
 
my 2012 6,500 miles van failed

No offense, but at about 800 miles per year, wouldn't you get better value from a caravan? Or even a tiny house? I wouldn't bother with maintaining and insuring a complete vehicle for such a small mileage.

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Good luck getting it out, get some penetrating oil soaking it ASAP. Iv e heard nighmare stories about getting the merc glow plugs out on the V6.
 
No offense, but at about 800 miles per year, wouldn't you get better value from a caravan? Or even a tiny house? I wouldn't bother with maintaining and insuring a complete vehicle for such a small mileage.
Good luck getting it out, get some penetrating oil soaking it ASAP. Iv e heard nighmare stories about getting the merc glow plugs out on the V6.
I bought the van two years ago with 3500 miles on it. Did a reasonable mileage last year but zero this year.

The heater plug is out. No corrosion & not stiff at all. Most of the work was in gaining access.
 
As an aside: if anyone would like to test the water with a code reader I can recommend the Torque app with a generic Bluetooth or USB adaptor. It's cheap, quick, and easy to use. It certainly won't read anything other than the engine ECU (I have a more complicated unit for that) but its so easy to connect and use that it's always the first thing I turn to. Even if you have no interest in diagnostics it gives a good insight into what's going on.
 
As an aside: if anyone would like to test the water with a code reader I can recommend the Torque app with a generic Bluetooth or USB adaptor. It's cheap, quick, and easy to use. It certainly won't read anything other than the engine ECU (I have a more complicated unit for that) but its so easy to connect and use that it's always the first thing I turn to. Even if you have no interest in diagnostics it gives a good insight into what's going on.
The Car Scanner app for Android has quite a few loadable vehicle specific profiles which allows it to read non-OBD manufacturer specific fault codes and parameters from other ECUs, although unfortunately not for the Ducato currently. The Volvo VEA/SPA profile is fairly comprehensive though.

For Sevel vans, AlfaOBD for Android is on a par with MultiEcuScan and in some ways better. The unregistered version is limited to 15 minutes run time per session and can scan/read fault codes but not perform active diagnostics. The registered version, which can do more than dealer diagnostics, is 49USD.
 
When I read the title it reminded me of similar thoughts about my van a month or so ago..
4 years old and I had a power steering failure..
Didn't take long to diagnose a leaking pipe and when I got it off it appears it failed due to some very localised corrosion..
A quick check online reveals its a common fault with the Ford and has been for some time..wasnt happy and felt like letting ford have a piece of my mind , but then decided it would most probably be a waste of time..
So about £150 lighter and a few hours work all appears well again..
Pleased youer sorted as well..
I wonder if glow plugs have a recommended replacement interval..
I cant remember ever having changed them just as a service thing..
Andy..
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if its a red light its a fail ive had the glowplug orange light on my work van for 4 years
 
As an aside: if anyone would like to test the water with a code reader I can recommend the Torque app with a generic Bluetooth or USB adaptor. It's cheap, quick, and easy to use. It certainly won't read anything other than the engine ECU (I have a more complicated unit for that) but its so easy to connect and use that it's always the first thing I turn to. Even if you have no interest in diagnostics it gives a good insight into what's going on.
Forgive my limited knowledge Tony but is a code reader only as good as what an ECU will tell it ...?
 

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