Sprinter suspension.

GWAYGWAY

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I have recently come home from a trip to Scotland and it was 1700 miles of being totally uncomfortable and shaken to bits by rough road surfaces potholes and generally rough. The van Hymer MLI280 has always been very uncomfortable on the road as the suspension is hard and unyielding to any roughish road surface. I fitted air assist to the rear srings and this lifted it off the level where the bump stops were almost touching the axle when stationary but it was still rough as a badger bum on anything other than a billiard smooth road. We crashed and banged along the highland road and some motorways as well (M25 concrete section at Chobham area). Any road humps would crash and bang shaking everything in the van and curdling us at the same time. I considered power boat racing to be a smoother pastime.
Now I am home I checked the front suspension and find that the bumpstops are only an inch away from the front suspension arms. It was always there and I now know that thew chassis was supplied to Hymer as 3500kgs, it was sold to me as 3860kgs and I uprated it to 4200kgs. The in use weight is, still 3650kgs as weighed by SV. but with leeway for bits and pieces in the back
When it is raised on the levelling struts the dampers rise another 6 inches, so we are running on the bottom inch of the suspension, like the rear was before the airbags . I have another 100 kilos when loaded before the axle weight is used up. It is obvious to me now that the standard spring is totally underated and that the weight of the A class body and fitments are too much for it to cope with. Every bump, pothole, or sleeping policeman in the road, hits the bumpstops and jars the whole van to bits.
My proposal is to uprate the front spring with the 5 ton van composite one. Bit dear to do, but it would at least give us some suspension compliance. The van should never have gone out of the factory with the low weight spring , like the plain Sprinter vans have..
Does anybody else have any suggestions as to give it a better movement, it cannot have air suspension on the front, as it has a single transverse leaf only, the heavier rated one have, or can have either two leaf spring or a composite single spring. Had it been made with macpherson struts like the FIAT's then it would be easier.
Any other ideas??????????????????
 
Our Sprinter ambulances tended to run just under 5tonnes & were smooth as silk compared to lesser van bases we'd tried, however this was on the twin wheel rear axle & with full air suspension as opposed to air assisted suspension.
Perhaps full air suspension is the way to go?
 
Proper winter -snow tyres ran smoother than all season camper tyres but had rear air so not sure if tyres or air made the difference
 
I originally thought it was tyre pressures as it came at 80psi But that changed to 50 psi front and 66 psi rear as given to me by Continental for the weights from the weigh bridge. It is definitely the springs allowing it to bottom on to the rubber stops on the front suspension arms, there are witness marks on the plate opposite the rubber where it shows hard contact.I need to upgrade the spring to the higher strength one. The axle weight is 1650 kg an it comes close to that when the garage in the rear is empty. I am running on the bump stops in any bump situation, That should not be as there are 6 inches of used movement just letting it down on the wheels leaving 1 inch to run on. I was hoping somebody with another Sprinter had worked this out and found the best solution. There are aftermarket springs for Hymers from Goldschmitt but I have no information on them for Sprinters as mostly for FIAT because that is the common base. It has always been a rough as hell ride from new but I took it that Hymer knew what they were doing, but obviously they do not change the basic model spring to allow for the heavy body and conversion of the basic chassis cowl that comes from MB.
 
Goldschmit do "air cells" which replace the bump stops, (not air suspension as it might imply) have heard they improve the ride quality and cost about £ 175 a pair. They take minutes to fit apparently. Might be worth giving it a go, combined with reduced tyre pressures it might make it a more comfortable ride.
We have a 616 Merc Chasis and our front suspension sits on the stops, which by all account is how it's meant to be as they are part of the suspension.
We may get air cells ourselves and give it a try, at least it won't break the bank and may soften the ride.
Pretty sure Goldschmit make an uprated front spring as well, might be worth giving them a call or emailing them some pictures.
 
Gway, your analysis is correct. The same problem happens on the Ducato with standard springs. Standard front springs are not meant for the load of a MH. Hymer now includes reinforced front springs in an option pack that most buyers will choose. It ought to be standard, not an option but anyway.

Goldschmitt and others have solutions in the form of bigger front springs that will lift back the front of your van and give the suspension more travel, making the ride much better.
 
Gway, your analysis is correct. The same problem happens on the Ducato with standard springs. Standard front springs are not meant for the load of a MH. Hymer now includes reinforced front springs in an option pack that most buyers will choose. It ought to be standard, not an option but anyway.

Goldschmitt and others have solutions in the form of bigger front springs that will lift back the front of your van and give the suspension more travel, making the ride much better.
We had the springs replaced on our 2007 Hymer B654 in about 2012 due to being noticeably nose down and hitting the bump stops. I researched online and found the cheapest option was to go to the Goldshmitt depot at Polch which cost about £350 (from memory) for heavy duty springs. Had it booked in for 09.00hrs Monday morning and all done by lunch time. We arrived there on Sunday and overnighted on their car park. To negate the cost of travel we then had a weeks holiday on the Moselle, having never been there before. I think the new springs raised the nose by about 60mm making it look better and cured the hitting of the bump stops.
It annoyed me at the time as to why Hymer should only fit normal springs as standard. The labour cost is constant so fitting heavy duty springs at manufacturing stage would add a minuscule cost to the motorhome. Goldschmitt are now owned by Hymer so probably more profitable to them for after sales work.
 
Clive Mott fitted new transverse spring at front and a new spring at rear on his Concorde in 2012 -a 2006 Sprinter I think so a previous generation. It was in the
MMM June 2012.
He used Midland Motor Springs- Roger Pritchard -Nottingham
0115 981 7759
I have been wondering about contacting them myself as we find the front end a bit firm (we have air sus at the back) on our 2006 Sprinter. I wonder how much weight it adds -I think they added an extra leaf to the front transverse spring?
Would be interested in what you find out although I suspect more recent Sprinters are different.
Paddy

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Our Sprinter ambulances tended to run just under 5tonnes & were smooth as silk compared to lesser van bases we'd tried, however this was on the twin wheel rear axle & with full air suspension as opposed to air assisted suspension.
Perhaps full air suspension is the way to go?


It is, full true air suspension is almost like being on an inter city train.

it’s expensive and I wish Mercedes would offer it as a factory option.

I switch between a Daily Sprinter and a Range Rover, my sprinter is a 2014 and dies have good suspension. Get in the car and it’s bliss.
 
Hi GWAYGWAY -you spurred me to contact them. Its in fact Richard Pritchit (Spelling? ) and he has done about 6 of them. Uses 2 thinner leaf springs apparently. Will get back to me on price etc.
 
I have recently changed the transverse spring on our frankia/sprinter 5 ton chassis and this was a composite merc supply spring and was a little disappointed that the bump stops were still very close. I have already fitted air assist on the rear which made better handling in general but still very hard on the front I have been trying the Tyre pressure route I used to run at 85 psi and now down to 65psi and there is a positive improvement
My gross vehicle weight is right up on the top and we have a tow car
 
Strange. I have the Sprinter, (Rear wheel drive 3L Auto), my preferred configuration. The ride is eminently superior to the previous Fiat FWD. I do however have air assist at the rear. Prompted by the post, I have had a quick look at the suspension set up, which is a transverse spring acting on independent arms controlled by a Damped Strut (front) and two "Cart Springs" at the rear (Being RWD) where the Air Units act. The clearance at rest (loaded) is about 25-28mm from the "bump" stops. The Tyre`s (R235/65-R16) front are running 60psi (cold) and 74 Rear, They rise somewhat when hot according to the Tyrepal readout. I suppose what one has to remember is that the base vehicle IS a commercial vehicle and unlikely to have the chassis sophistication of a Car?.
 
Strange. I have the Sprinter, (Rear wheel drive 3L Auto), my preferred configuration. The ride is eminently superior to the previous Fiat FWD. I do however have air assist at the rear. Prompted by the post, I have had a quick look at the suspension set up, which is a transverse spring acting on independent arms controlled by a Damped Strut (front) and two "Cart Springs" at the rear (Being RWD) where the Air Units act. The clearance at rest (loaded) is about 25-28mm from the "bump" stops. The Tyre`s (R235/65-R16) front are running 60psi (cold) and 74 Rear, They rise somewhat when hot according to the Tyrepal readout. I suppose what one has to remember is that the base vehicle IS a commercial vehicle and unlikely to have the chassis sophistication of a Car?.
You have the 3.0 litre engine and they will have fitted the upgraded heavy spring to that because of the heavier engine lump, that is what I would like to have, it gives a load more clearance with a proper amount of travel

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Strange. I have the Sprinter, (Rear wheel drive 3L Auto), my preferred configuration. The ride is eminently superior to the previous Fiat FWD. I do however have air assist at the rear. Prompted by the post, I have had a quick look at the suspension set up, which is a transverse spring acting on independent arms controlled by a Damped Strut (front) and two "Cart Springs" at the rear (Being RWD) where the Air Units act. The clearance at rest (loaded) is about 25-28mm from the "bump" stops. The Tyre`s (R235/65-R16) front are running 60psi (cold) and 74 Rear, They rise somewhat when hot according to the Tyrepal readout. I suppose what one has to remember is that the base vehicle IS a commercial vehicle and unlikely to have the chassis sophistication of a Car?.
You have the 3.0 litre engine and they will have fitted the upgraded heavy spring to that because of the heavier engine lump, that is what I would like to have, it gives a load more clearance with a proper amount of travel
Ah..... that explains a lot. Didn't realise that the 3 litre has upgraded springs at the front. The ride, if a little wallowy, is much better than the Ducato
 
Ah..... that explains a lot. Didn't realise that the 3 litre has upgraded springs at the front. The ride, if a little wallowy, is much better than the Ducato

The Air on the rear reduces "Wallow". I run 10psi ALL the time regardless of load, for that reason. I dropped it right off at first, but put it back up after the first "outing" as I needed to tow. The front spring is very substantial I have not measured it but I would think at least 18mm thick!

Edit:- Just checked. My spec; sheet says Code A50. front axle with increased carrying load.
 
The Air on the rear reduces "Wallow". I run 10psi ALL the time regardless of load, for that reason. I dropped it right off at first, but put it back up after the first "outing" as I needed to tow. The front spring is very substantial I have not measured it but I would think at least 18mm thick!

Edit:- Just checked. My spec; sheet says Code A50. front axle with increased carrying load.
Same chassis and engine (519) I run about 15psi on the air assist. Front tyres at 60 and rears at 62. Only some junk in the garage, nothing heavy
 
I have booked into RVservices in Devon to have some Goldschmitt springs fitted to the front damper units as a booster. A bit like becoming a Mcpherson Strut from an ordinary damper rod.
It is costing about £900 but probably worth it to make it usable in some kind of comfort. Next Tuesday as they need to obtain the springs from Germany. I still think all A class Sprinters should have uprated springs as it iseems Hymer now list it as an option costing an arm and leg with other items to make a 'package' . To fit the composite heavy spring is a real faff after the chassis is made but easy to fit during manufacture. It is a roadworthiness item as far as I am concerned and should be supplied as suitable for purpose. An A class MH has a lot of front top weight compared to the van derivatives with a cab. I rater wish I had got an MLT version especially when maintenance is being done. The MB agent's fitters all run and hide when my van goes in as it is so difficult working down a letterbox.
 
I have booked into RVservices in Devon to have some Goldschmitt springs fitted to the front damper units as a booster. A bit like becoming a Mcpherson Strut from an ordinary damper rod.
It is costing about £900 but probably worth it to make it usable in some kind of comfort. Next Tuesday as they need to obtain the springs from Germany. I still think all A class Sprinters should have uprated springs as it iseems Hymer now list it as an option costing an arm and leg with other items to make a 'package' . To fit the composite heavy spring is a real faff after the chassis is made but easy to fit during manufacture. It is a roadworthiness item as far as I am concerned and should be supplied as suitable for purpose. An A class MH has a lot of front top weight compared to the van derivatives with a cab. I rater wish I had got an MLT version especially when maintenance is being done. The MB agent's fitters all run and hide when my van goes in as it is so difficult working down a letterbox.
Let us know if you notice a big difference once fitted then as I'm considering new uprated springs on my ducato based motorhome. Thanks

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You have my total sympathy on this , as I recall you have had far more than your share of grief with your ‘fatherland built ‘ Motorhome. We all know that most MH s plates at 3.5t are unfit for purpose due to payload reduction following the addition of a shedload of mega costly extras which should be standard. Then the paper excercise of uprating without major suspension mods will of course not help the comfort of the ride.
I think I would have sent it back to your supplier long before now .
Anyway good luck with your mods.
 
Our Sprinter ambulances tended to run just under 5tonnes & were smooth as silk compared to lesser van bases we'd tried, however this was on the twin wheel rear axle & with full air suspension as opposed to air assisted suspension.
Perhaps full air suspension is the way to go?
Something I was wondering about the Ambulances around here all on Sprinter base, was, Do all the youngsters driving them actually have to pass a C1 licence Driving test with attendant medicals and the CPD on a commercial vehicle, as well as the emergency vehicle test, or has nobody cottoned on to that one
 
Something I was wondering about the Ambulances around here all on Sprinter base, was, Do all the youngsters driving them actually have to pass a C1 licence Driving test with attendant medicals and the CPD on a commercial vehicle, as well as the emergency vehicle test, or has nobody cottoned on to that one
Yes C1 required , unless its only driving B class vehicles.
 
Something I was wondering about the Ambulances around here all on Sprinter base, was, Do all the youngsters driving them actually have to pass a C1 licence Driving test with attendant medicals and the CPD on a commercial vehicle, as well as the emergency vehicle test, or has nobody cottoned on to that one

Yes C1 is essential, none of the Mercedes front line wagons are below 3.9tonnes empty.
This made recruiting trainee paramedics a tad difficult for a long time & probably still does.
I've been retired nearly 9yrs now so I don't know about CPD.

One thing I do know is that to keep my 7.5tonne license I'd need to do a first aid course amongst other things, how absurd is that? A paramedic would probably fail a first aid course, what we did even at basic level was ambulance aid, so if I was asked about how to deal with a patient with suspected spinal injuries, I'd be expected to say "do not move the patient & call for a paramedic!!
 
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I have booked into RVservices in Devon to have some Goldschmitt springs fitted to the front damper units as a booster. A bit like becoming a Mcpherson Strut from an ordinary damper rod.
It is costing about £900 but probably worth it to make it usable in some kind of comfort. Next Tuesday as they need to obtain the springs from Germany. I still think all A class Sprinters should have uprated springs as it iseems Hymer now list it as an option costing an arm and leg with other items to make a 'package' . To fit the composite heavy spring is a real faff after the chassis is made but easy to fit during manufacture. It is a roadworthiness item as far as I am concerned and should be supplied as suitable for purpose. An A class MH has a lot of front top weight compared to the van derivatives with a cab. I rater wish I had got an MLT version especially when maintenance is being done. The MB agent's fitters all run and hide when my van goes in as it is so difficult working down a letterbox.

Do the new springs help the drive, worth the investment? I see they do an anti roll bar for the front as well.

Curious as we are debating with this or going the full hog and having air fitted (although Goldschmitt seem to be the most expensive manufacturer)

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Am I right in thinking, the "Full Monty" Air system, is a 3 Grand plus Option?. I know that is the figure quoted (to me) for Self levelling jacks. (sharp intake of breath here!!)
 
Am I right in thinking, the "Full Monty" Air system, is a 3 Grand plus Option?. I know that is the figure quoted (to me) for Self levelling jacks. (sharp intake of breath here!!)

When I inquired about full air suspension for Ducato it was around 9,000€. I don't know of such systems for the current Mercedes. A lady on the VB Air stand at Düsseldorf Caravan Salon told me that Mercedes forbids modifications of the front suspension and there is no way to legally register such a modification.
 
Am I right in thinking, the "Full Monty" Air system, is a 3 Grand plus Option?. I know that is the figure quoted (to me) for Self levelling jacks. (sharp intake of breath here!!)
The average price for jacks is around £5K and full-air £10-12K.
 
Until recently I had the same Mercedes based MLi580 as you GWAYGWAY and it was a bit of a hard ride, though I found it acceptable. However I now have a Carthago Compactline i143 on a Fiat/AlKo chassis and it is a much better ride, again standard suspension. I would now hesitate to go back to the harsh Sprinter set up.
 
Until recently I had the same Mercedes based MLi580 as you GWAYGWAY and it was a bit of a hard ride, though I found it acceptable. However I now have a Carthago Compactline i143 on a Fiat/AlKo chassis and it is a much better ride, again standard suspension. I would now hesitate to go back to the harsh Sprinter set up.

And yet. I had the fiat/alko setup, It always sat nose down, and is no way comparable to the ride I have now?. One of the things I always say about Motorhomes, Is that one has to accept that they are built on Commercial chassis. The ONLY exception I know of is the GMC circa 1980`s. which had a custom chassis, fully independent.

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