Some excellent work by CAMpRA

Good effort, as above I hope they get somewhere, amazing what you learn as we live about 20 miles from Chop Gate and hadn't a clue you could park there.

Might have to go have a look ;)

North Yorkshire Moors National Park are currently running trials, allowing motorcaravans to park overnight at Sutton Bank, Chop Gate and Thornton Le Dale.
Northumbrian Water currently permits overnight parking at three of its sites in the Kielder Forest - Tower Knowe and Kielder Castle Visitor Centres and Elf Kirk View Point. In additon, they permit overnight motorcaravan parking at other reservoirs such as Derwent and Fontburn.

Just looked at NY Moors web site and it says, "Please remember that overnight parking is not allowed" so still confused, I will still have a ride out and look at the signage ;)
 
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Yes a well thought out document. Hopefully it will be seen by councils and landowners and get them thinking. For the latest versions it is probably best to go the CamPra web site here.
ezee
 
EzeeRider said:
Yes a well thought out document. Hopefully it will be seen by councils and landowners and get them thinking. For the latest versions it is probably best to go the CamPra web site here.
ezee
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That is the latest version only out today😊

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I think you will find there have been minor corrections done although none of them effected the sense of the document. I also assume if any future updates are done the web site will be the place to go for the latest version.
ezee
 
An excellent document with lots of well researched facts and information.
Very well done to the team who put it together and let's all hope it has an effect. (y)

Richard.
 
CAMpRA look to have devised and adopted a strategy and presentation which may compel all interested parties to look closer , with possibly more open mindedness than has been the case up to now , at the potential positive benefits of providing motorhome overnight stopover areas .
The document is professional and well thought out , clearly communicating the benefits of motorhome overnight stopovers , on a national basis.
We have actually visited and stayed on a number of the example locations mentioned in the document and we can honestly say , we felt welcome at all of them .
 
EzeeRider said:
Yes a well thought out document. Hopefully it will be seen by councils and landowners and get them thinking. For the latest versions it is probably best to go the CamPra web site here.
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Link doesn't appear to work?:unsure:
 
Excellent document - pity it's at least 10 years too late!. Knowing our bureaucracy it will be another several years before being fully implemented

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I 100% support this initiative.
However the name is very misleading..
There is already a very successful real ale campaign that has been around for many many years years and that is
CAMRA.
So why on earth have an other campaign by sticking a "wee p" in the middle and making a new campaign.
CAMpRA. ?????
Beggers belief.
I thought when I first saw this thread it was indeed for CAMRA and skipped. How many others did same not realizing it was totally not connected.???
 
The elephant in the room though is this - what about those "travellers" (formerly known as gypsies) who will pounce on any site the moment it is made available. In France and Germany, these people are removed by the police very quickly and efficiently. Can you imagine that happening here? if anyone wants to set up home on one of these sites it will take 6 months for them to be "legally" removed. Such is the parlous state of our civil service.
 
poppycamper said:
I 100% support this initiative.
However the name is very misleading..
There is already a very successful real ale campaign that has been around for many many years years and that is
CAMRA.
So why on earth have an other campaign by sticking a "wee p" in the middle and making a new campaign.
CAMpRA. ?????
Beggers belief.
I thought when I first saw this thread it was indeed for CAMRA and skipped. How many others did same not realizing it was totally not connected.???
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There is also a MH related organisation called CAMPA.

Nonetheless CAMpRA are doing a great job.

Ian
 
steve69 said:
The elephant in the room though is this - what about those "travellers" (formerly known as gypsies) who will pounce on any site the moment it is made available. In France and Germany, these people are removed by the police very quickly and efficiently. Can you imagine that happening here? if anyone wants to set up home on one of these sites it will take 6 months for them to be "legally" removed. Such is the parlous state of our civil service.
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Not, perhaps, if they have to pay and will be fined for overstaying, just like anyone else!
 
steve69 said:
The elephant in the room though is this - what about those "travellers" (formerly known as gypsies) who will pounce on any site the moment it is made available. In France and Germany, these people are removed by the police very quickly and efficiently. Can you imagine that happening here? if anyone wants to set up home on one of these sites it will take 6 months for them to be "legally" removed. Such is the parlous state of our civil service.
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It depends where.

The Isle of Thanet has an ongoing problem with two large traveler families, who for some reason seem to get bigger in the summer and smaller in the winter.

I don't know where they spend most of the year, but from time to time they set up camp on the seafront in Ramsgate, the common in Margate, a football pitch in Broadstairs and several other regular stopovers.
In all cases the local council seems to get them to move on after about 3-4 nights.

Roma/Gypsies can be dealt with by a forward looking council if they are prepared to treat them as a nomadic section of society.

New Age Travellers however, I agree can be a different problem, as they have no interest on being put onto a semi-permanent site with the Roma/Gypsies (who tend to be inter-related of if not, they are at least of the same tribe)

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Perhaps Steve could enlighten us as to the role played by the Civil Service in the eviction of travellers which I had firmly believed to be the responsibility of Local Authorities acting under legislation enacted by Parliament.
 
Beltie said:
Perhaps Steve could enlighten us as to the role played by the Civil Service in the eviction of travellers which I had firmly believed to be the responsibility of Local Authorities acting under legislation enacted by Parliament.
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How about the legal system that operates with in the civil service? Their eagerness to help the "poor oppressed people" is very often to the detriment of honest people like you and me. EXAMPLE: Why did it take several years to evict those travellers at that Farm in Essex a few years back - Legal wrangling within the Local Authority, that's why.
 
Steve, I take your point and share your frustration, but the fact remains that it's a local authority matter and nothing to do with the Civil Service.
 
Beltie said:
Steve, I take your point and share your frustration, but the fact remains that it's a local authority matter and nothing to do with the Civil Service.
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Counsellors, Civil service....you are all part of the same problems.

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ManTheVan said:
Not, perhaps, if they have to pay and will be fined for overstaying, just like anyone else!
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Simply did not work here in Thetford.
The travellers who used the area ( supplied with water and a toilet dump ) simply refused to pay, refused to use the toilet facility and repeatedly stole the tap off the water pipe and then used the ensuing flood as an excuse not to pay ( beggars belief but it true )
Council gave up in the end, paid mega bucks to get them shifted and put large concrete blocks all round the area
 
Jaws said:
Simply did not work here in Thetford.
The travellers who used the area ( supplied with water and a toilet dump ) simply refused to pay, refused to use the toilet facility and repeatedly stole the tap off the water pipe and then used the ensuing flood as an excuse not to pay ( beggars belief but it true )
Council gave up in the end, paid mega bucks to get them shifted and put large concrete blocks all round the area
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I just don’t get the ‘refused to pay’ bit? Police? Bailiffs?
 
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I just don’t get the ‘refused to pay’ bit? Police? Bailiffs?
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You have never dealt with travellers have you :) Local police will not go near them until a high court writ is issued, and it is both expensive and very time consuming..
AND.. even with the bailiffs involved, as it was a site specifically aimed at travellers, they would move off. wait for what ever legal presence was there to leave, and simply return.. Travellers are NOTHING like Roma folk.. who might give the impression they are lawless but do live by the rules in general
 
steve69 said:
The elephant in the room though is this - what about those "travellers" (formerly known as gypsies) who will pounce on any site the moment it is made available. In France and Germany, these people are removed by the police very quickly and efficiently. Can you imagine that happening here? if anyone wants to set up home on one of these sites it will take 6 months for them to be "legally" removed. Such is the parlous state of our civil service.
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theyve not squatted on the canterbury park and ride not sure why not?
 
Millport is coming along nicely, not as a direct result of CAMPRA but none the less the results filter throughout the motorhome websites and CAMPRA is a main one. (y)

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