Well here we are down near the Algarve after a very pleasant meander down from the north. Struggling with our built in Oyster sat dish to get a signal, give up after trying for 2 hours, get out the large portable dish we bought and still no signal with that. Any-way--the point of this is, an English van pulls up on site next to us, gets out his mini sky dish, connects to a £30 receiver he bought in Lidl and bingo, instant TV. I stood back in amazment as he showed me all the uk channels he's getting. I have now concluded that these Sky digi boxes are not the best way to go. A cheapo receiver seems better at getting weak signals. Take care all. ken.