Possibly smelly question

[ceejayt]

So, our motorhome is parked up at home and the Black Tank is full - C and CC sites are closed so can't do what I usually do which is nip to a site and pay a few quid to empty.

We are not on main drains so we have a septic tank - unfortunately it is a fair distance from the vehicle and I can't drive near it. I have probably 80 litres of black tank which has been treated with both the green organic chemicals AND also Ammovit. My first thought was, b**ger it - I will empty into a bucket and cary it bucket by bucket and pop it into the septic tank. 9 or 10 trips with a two gallon bucket should do it.

However, it then occurred to me that as my wife keeps 5 compost bins quite close to the vehicle I could stick a bucketful in each and it would be good for composting and save me quite a walk with a bucket full of dubious liquid!.

The Green chemical is clearly organic and the Ammovit says:

Ammovit is an excellent and proven agent for feces treatment, which is manufactured according to the unchanged special recipe. Ammovit can be used to process manure and liquid manure. Ammovit eliminates unpleasant smells, at the same time provides the soil with organic, potassium, phosphate and nitrogen fertilizers and improves soil soil through the formation of colloids. Ammovit is ecologically harmless when used as intended. Ammovit has no adverse impact on plant growth and the environment. The end products of the Ammovit application are valuable nitrogen fertilizers and natural soil components.

So what do you think before I undertake this jolly exercise? Septic tank or compost?

I want to have it empty so that when we can go out - even if it is for a day out at the beach with the dog, we can make our own tea and coffee, feed and water ourselves etc without having to worry about social distancing or using public loos etc. So, one way or another, it is getting emptied.

Thanks (expecting a few poo jokes but some serious answers would also be appreciated).

 

[bigtwin]

Would a caravan ‘wastemaster’ or ’waterbut’ not be a good means of transporting the waste?

Ian

 

[Mr porky]

Compost it

 

[MisterB]

i once went on a day course for reed bed construction around the eco centre in wales for new technology (C.A.T.). One of their toilet blocks had a device which separated the liquid from solids as far as possible, using some sort of centrifugal principle. it meant the liquid came out and was filtered using reed beds to turn it into water suitable for discharge into streams and rivers and the solids were allowed to dry and then used to enrich the soil, Due to the 'drying process' which used large solar powered fans, there was very little smell (we were encouraged to 'test' it LOL)

they were even growing tomatos in urine - the root ball wasnt in soil but in urine separated in a special toilet, where urine went one way and solids another.

it really is an interesting place to spend a day - you dont need to go on a training course.


so briefly, yes it is safe to do as you think and will do no harm.

think of composting toilets, they use no liquids and are eventually allowed to 'rot down' (though its more of a biological process) - there will be some odours for an hour or so but you will do no harm. its the liquid that will be more of a bio hazard, so wear gloves and dont clean your teeth in it ....

 

[funflair]

I would be interested to know what the Ammovit has done to the contents and an experiment in the veg plot would be quite interesting.

Martin

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[Figaro]

Whatever you decide to do, get a nose clip for the nostrils first.
That would be my best advice, the waste hog sounds good though.

 

[icantremember]

Offer it on ebay, buyer to collect.

 

[funflair]

Whatever you decide to do, get a nose clip for the nostrils first.
That would be my best advice, the waste hog sounds good though.

That’s the interesting bit as the Ammovit should render the contents quite inert.

 

[Mhambi]

I think you should look at investing in a Cinderella motion incinerator toilet. The emptying issue is what convinced me to buy one.

 

[Figaro]

That’s the interesting bit as the Ammovit should render the contents quite inert.

Not worth taking the risk in my view

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[Mikey RV]

Is there not a black drain nearer on your property.

 

[JohnJan]

Is there not a black drain nearer on your property.

You house toilet must be piped to the septic tank, can you not access it via a manhole cover or the like and drop it there?

 

[JohnJan]

Is this the definition of taking the piss?

 

[ceejayt]

Would a caravan ‘wastemaster’ or ’waterbut’ not be a good means of transporting the waste?

Ian

I would love to use a waste master but it is a 3 inch outlet and no easy way of connecting - it is possible to get an RV waste trolley but very expensive.

 

[ceejayt]

I think you should look at investing in a Cinderella motion incinerator toilet. The emptying issue is what convinced me to buy one.

Looked at these before - £3.5k so not cheap - too difficult to rip out existing macerator etc. but a good solution for a new build

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[ceejayt]

Is there not a black drain nearer on your property.

Nope

 

[ceejayt]

You house toilet must be piped to the septic tank, can you not access it via a manhole cover or the like and drop it there?

Good idea but it would b as far to take it as it would be to open the septic tank manhole and drop it straight in

 

[ceejayt]

Is this the definition of taking the piss?

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[DavidG58]

We have a black tank similar size to you, due to rare but inevitable locations where we can’t use a gravity drop via hosepipe, we carry a cassette so I can drop 30 litres or so to a conventional site dump

this only helps you to move it, but if you have the smell covered, the compost option sounds good, provided you remember to add plenty of other stuff ?? 100% pee, poo and paper is never going to end well ?

 

[Spriddler]

However, it then occurred to me that as my wife keeps 5 compost bins quite close to the vehicle I could stick a bucketful in each ...…..

Nah, she's bound to notice.

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[ceejayt]

I am going to give it a go - if it doesn't smell it's going in the compost bins (or at least some of it is)

 

[Speve]

Liquid manure compost it??

 

[namwaldog]

proven agent for feces treatment

I think I must be developing dyslexia, I thought you were going to paint your fence with it

Barry

 

[Brains]

When I stay at my mothers the drain is annoyingly 3 meters further away than my hose will reach.
However the down pipe on the garage rain gutter is 3.5 meters long.
I simply pull it out of the gutter, add it to my pipe and dump away and then a quick sloosh of water and put it back.

If you can position the van higher than the septic tank, then a few meters of either gutter down pipe of even conventional 2" basin waste pipe may solve your problem.
(You could even try 1" water pipe, which can be bought on a roll, but only is the solids are small enough)

 

[icantremember]

I think I must be developing dyslexia, I thought you were going to paint your fence with it

Barry

In a previous life I used to be into selling agricultural buildings with asbestos cement clad roofs ... quite often it was a condition of planning consent that the building be sprayed with cow's sh1t . Apparently to promote the growth of moss and lichens and tone down the brightness.

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[ceejayt]

Thanks all - and the answer is....

What was I worried about - stuck a bucket under, 6 buckets later all dealt with. Now, admittedly, the van hasn't been out for several months so it has been sitting and ~I did put some more Ammovit in and a green bag a couple of weeks ago but it came out almost as clear water - absolutely no smell and no hassle. All gone into the compost bins.

That Ammovit is good stuff for sure.

 

[MisterB]

cant you install your own drain into the septic tank by connecting into the drain that feeds into it? check if any of your rainwater drains also terminate into the septic tank (unusual if they do but not unheard of)

effectively all you need is to connect into the drains somewhere and put a gulley in where you can park the vehicle over when emptying. you also prob need a hose pipe long enough to reach for cleaning purposes.

it sounds simple, but it really is. the main issue being of course are distance and depth. push fit pvc fittings make the job really simple to install.

no more paying fees to dump your waste .....

 

[POH]

Hi is Ammovit good for normal thetford cassettes and where can I get it, sounds like good stuff if it makes the smell go away as I can see all of us using our own facilities for the foreseeable future.

 

[JohnJan]

I was referring too the bit about draining into a bucket and carrying it to the septic.

Wasn't really that funny anyway!!

 

[Minxy]

I've got a feeling of 'de ja poo' ... ... didn't you start a thread a while about about this problem?

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