Non starter - Pls Help !

[Marauder]

Hi Folks,

I have a Burstner T620 on 2008 Ducato 130mj with Electroblok 99 and AD-01

It was starting ok (although slowly) so I replaced the starter battery.

But it failed to start on the new battery, even after 2 good spins on the key.

Am I missing something ? Are there any obvious reasons why it wont start ?

Could a fault on the EBL99 cause it not to fire, even tho turning over fine ?

Would an immobiliser allow engine to spin, but not fire ?

All response gratefully accepted.

Steve

 

[PeterCarole29]

I know this might not be helpfull but have you AA or RAC cover homestart

 

[Tombola]

You can turn it over for well over 5 seconds if needed.
Does it have a an immobiliser?

Try the 2 prong thing in the socket just in case as you turn it over maybe ? (wild guess)

 

[mitzimad]

Ebl is not connected to engine starting problems its purely to run the habitation and charging circuits with a new battery its not connected
If its turning over slowly I would check for bad connections earth strap to engine and lastly starterpossibly immobiliser problems but you need to see if there's any fault codes
Easy things to try are easy start or jumping from another vehicle with earth clamp direct to engine

 

[Catpirate]

The EBL has no affect on the starter system. I had a similar problem and it turned out to be a poor battery connection on the Negative pole. The standard fitting had perished the dash lights worked but the connection was unable to support the starting current. I bough a new connector and made a new plate for the auxiliary fittings.

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[Catpirate]

PS may be a fuel problem, have you got fuel in it

 

[Bobby-gg]

Check and replace and even upgrade your earth straps, common fault on ducato's

 

[tonka]

Could a fault on the EBL99 cause it not to fire, even tho turning over fine ?

No... Its nothing to do with the engine as mentioned above, its just a control panel for the habitation side of things.

Would an immobiliser allow engine to spin, but not fire ?

Yes.. I had this once on a car. Turned out the chip in the key had lost its code. If i held the spare key next to it as i tried to start then it would go..

 

[Catpirate]

just re-read your post, could be problem with the immobilizer not reading your key after disconnection of the battery

 

[Marauder]

PS may be a fuel problem, have you got fuel in it

Yes - shocked when £99 limit on card/pump only filled it to 3/4 full ! £70 filled my last van: AS Symbol !

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[Catpirate]

Just read this

 

[Clipgate]

Have you multiplied by 4.52 to achieve the price per gallon!
Then you may think about inflation, and mpg

 

[Marauder]

or jumping from another vehicle with earth clamp direct to engine

Jump Starting a Motorhome

Why you should think twice about Jump Starting a Motorhome

www.aandncaravanservices.co.uk

( also reason I am hesitant to call home start just yet )

 

[Bessy765]

Try disconnecting the engine battery again for at least five mins. Then reconnect, turn the key on to the first position do not try to start it straight away. Look to see if a symbol with a padlock shows on the dashboard. If so it indicates an immobiliser fault

 

[Marauder]

but you need to see if there's any fault codes

I guess fault codes would be in dashboard dials panel ?

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[Marauder]

Just read this

thanks, my battery is under the floor in front of P/S chair. I dont think there's any fuel near there, but will look again
and I've no idea what green key or red key is, not sure if I should have a Key Code Card

 

[Catpirate]

Another thread that may help

Engine Immobiliser Locked Out

After leaving the vehicle (Ducato X250 2.3L 2008) at the storage park for 5 weeks it will not start. The dreaded Vehicle Protection System Failure warning light, the locked padlock, comes on and stays on. I have obtained the reset code from Fiat and they have given me a procedure to enter the cod...

forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk

 

[Puddleduck]

When ours wouldn't start after new cab battery fitted it was because of the immobiliser. I had to send a text message to the van to disable the non-start as fitted by VanBitz.

 

[TheBig1]

I know it's bleeding obvious, but try the other key

 

[Marauder]

it's bleeding obvious, but try the other key

was not obvious to me, but it's on my list when I go to van tomorrow (30 mins journey).

and this on top of realising it needs cambelt & 2 tyres before journey to Scotland in 5 days time

reminds me of the saying about 2 good days of owning a boat (the first, and the last !)

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[TheBig1]

was not obvious to me, but it's on my list when I go to van tomorrow (30 mins journey).

and this on top of realising it needs cambelt & 2 tyres before journey to Scotland in 5 days time

reminds me of the saying about 2 good days of owning a boat (the first, and the last !)

Been there with the boat and got so frustrated that I stored it over winter 30 years ago and never went back. May still be there on a friend's farm, but probably full of chickens now. At least it has found a good use at last

 

[Marauder]

Try disconnecting the engine battery again for at least five mins. Then reconnect, turn the key on to the first position do not try to start it straight away. Look to see if a symbol with a padlock shows on the dashboard. If so it indicates an immobiliser fault

Thanks
Will try this tomorrow . . . .

 

[Marauder]

Hi Folks,
Many thanks for all your input. Based on your suggestions, I disconnected the Battery for 10 mins.
Reconnected and there was a lock symbol on the dash - as you predicted !

I had to remove keys so the prongy thing would go into it's socket (thankfully it did not initiate self destruct sequence).

It did play Colonel Bogie, but padlock was still showing when I turned ign on again.
I turned ign off again & put the pronger in. This time it just beeped twice, so back to ign on - PADLOCK GONE "yeeeeha"

Turned key further and she burst into life after 2 revolutions. Thanks muchly for all your helps.

Interestingly ( when holding the spare key nearby as suggested ) I accidentally discovered that the spare alarm fob does not work so thanks for that too.

( I guess there must be a way to split fob to renew fob battery ? )

So now she's in getting a shiny new cambelt ( and auxilliary belts - another good idea I read on these forums )

And then, heading for the frozen northlands of Scotland this weekend with relief of a relatively simple outcome.

Watch this space

Steve