metformin &corvid 19

[romany]

slightly uplifting report on the news tonight that hospitals in Spain are reporting that Metformin seems to lesson the severity of corvid 19 there by shortening the infection, again it is early days and they are still gathering information but so far its looking helpful ?

 

[sedge]

Anything that helps is welcome in my book, even though the drug is collectively known as Metfartin by the people with diabetes who take it, since it absolutely does have 'gastric' side effects in an awful lot of cases. Having the sh!ts in comparison to turning your lungs to liquid - thanks I'll take the red raw bum in preference, Ta.

 

[scousebird]

slightly uplifting report on the news tonight that hospitals in Spain are reporting that Metformin seems to lesson the severity of corvid 19 there by shortening the infection, again it is early days and they are still gathering information but so far its looking helpful ?

Have you got a source for this report?

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

Have you got a source for this report?

he may have got it here

To fight severe coronavirus disease and even ageing, make metformin an OTC drug, now!

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[The Wino]

Anything that helps is welcome in my book, even though the drug is collectively known as Metfartin by the people with diabetes who take it, since it absolutely does have 'gastric' side effects in an awful lot of cases. Having the sh!ts in comparison to turning your lungs to liquid - thanks I'll take the red raw bum in preference, Ta.

Looks like the toilet roll hoarders were ahead of the game!

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[glastry]

Have people with diabetes been seen to be less likely to suffer from the corunavirus?

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

Have people with diabetes been seen to be less likely to suffer from the corunavirus?

No it doesn’t say that, it says that there seems to be an indication that those that have the virus are less likely for it to develop into the more serious lung inflammation if they are taking Metformin, and it is not backed up with anything that I’ve seen yet

 

[Scotsblood]

Take with a very large pinch of salt anything said in the heat of an outbreak of anything!
Until there has been the opportunity to fully look at the data, draw conclusions, write it up and most importantly get it peer reviewed its very little more than supposition.
We often find in medicine ‘patterns’ develop in one area or another be it a single drug, geographic area, or treatment type that on first look suggests something that is then disproved when examining more data. MMR is a classic example, all of the claims made by Andrew Wakefield have been shown to be very poorly researched and fraudulent in only picking data that supported his flawed case. All of his very strong and public assertions have now been firmly refuted.

 

[Jev88]

Shame Metformin has been found to develop NDMA content (cancerous) and might be in restricted supply now?

 

[romany]

Have you got a source for this report?

The source for this was a doctor in Spain who was being interviewed by BBC news on how Spain was coping (or not) and what he hoped for the future also confirmed by a Spanish Dr who is a friend of the family. Please note it is not a cure it appears to lessen the severity of the virus and is one of many licensed drugs being tested that are showing some kind of promise

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[peterc10]

he may have got it here

To fight severe coronavirus disease and even ageing, make metformin an OTC drug, now!

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Hmmmmmmmmmm ........................ Looking a bit more at that site suggests it is not one I would ever rely on for any scientific data.

 

[romany]

Have people with diabetes been seen to be less likely to suffer from the corunavirus?

No definitely not as Diabetes affects so many organs in the body.

Although I was surprised to know I am only classed as an at risk patient not High risk as despite having multiple heart attacks by pass and diabetec type 2 and a small TIA last year (yeah I know I'm falling apart)
none of these are classed as an auto immune problem and I'm not 70

 

[romany]

Shame Metformin has been found to develop NDMA content (cancerous) and might be in restricted supply now?

Dangerous miss information taken out of context Metformin licenced in the EU does contain an exceptable level of impurities that COULD be linked to cancer but does not contain enough to be of concern.
What you should have said is metformin from outside the EU is not so well policed and has been found to contain unacceptable levels of these impurities.
To all of you on Metformin when you read anything like this on forums DO NOT STOP YOUR MEDICINE before speaking to your doctor, Thats why my original post states seems like, maybe, and data still being collected,
No where do I say its a cure

 

[westhamman]

I'm sorry romany, if i die now i will definitely be blaming you, not only that I will block your posts after the aforementioned death takes place. Metformin is a very useful medication but I doubt it helps with covid-19, If I knew that tobacco could be a vaccine, I would of kept smoking for the last 25 years.

 

[sedge]

If you think having an auto immune condition makes you 'high risk' - think again! I seem to recall that both Type 1 Diabetes and Hypothyroidism are auto immune, but I'm not considered high risk either, for the simple reason that well controlled diabetes of all types (and there are not just two) doesn't cause any of us to heal less well than whatever the norm is.

So westhamman - are you having 'Never give me metformin' attached to your medical records, like you would 'DNR' if you didn't want to be?

In any event, it was originally marketed as a weight loss drug and doctors prescribed it to whoever, including to their overweight diabetic patients. They then discovered that it helped those get better control of their serum glucose and this is because it acts to reduce insulin resistance to some degree - but I don't understand exactly how. But anyway, if in Spain and let's face it they've got a lot of people with The Lurgy so they've seen more than we have, they have observed that the folk who are already taking Metformin don't seem to get it quite so bad as folk who don't take it - then yes they jolly well SHOULD be trialling it.

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[Jev88]

Dangerous miss information taken out of context Metformin licenced in the EU does contain an exceptable level of impurities that COULD be linked to cancer but does not contain enough to be of concern.
What you should have said is metformin from outside the EU is not so well policed and has been found to contain unacceptable levels of these impurities.
To all of you on Metformin when you read anything like this on forums DO NOT STOP YOUR MEDICINE before speaking to your doctor, Thats why my original post states seems like, maybe, and data still being collected,
No where do I say its a cure

Apologies if you thought I was supplying misinformation. That was not the intention.
My mother is a life long diabetic and her Metformin was stopped last year.

 

[romany]

I'm sorry romany, if i die now i will definitely be blaming you, not only that I will block your posts after the aforementioned death takes place. Metformin is a very useful medication but I doubt it helps with covid-19, If I knew that tobacco could be a vaccine, I would of kept smoking for the last 25 years.

Apologies if you thought I was supplying misinformation. That was not the intention.
My mother is a life long diabetic and her Metformin was stopped last year.

Maybe other complications, they are learning about diabetes all the time Metformin has always had side effects that affect some more than others

 

[romany]

If you think having an auto immune condition makes you 'high risk' - think again! I seem to recall that both Type 1 Diabetes and Hypothyroidism are auto immune, but I'm not considered high risk either, for the simple reason that well controlled diabetes of all types (and there are not just two) doesn't cause any of us to heal less well than whatever the norm is.

So westhamman - are you having 'Never give me metformin' attached to your medical records, like you would 'DNR' if you didn't want to be?

In any event, it was originally marketed as a weight loss drug and doctors prescribed it to whoever, including to their overweight diabetic patients. They then discovered that it helped those get better control of their serum glucose and this is because it acts to reduce insulin resistance to some degree - but I don't understand exactly how. But anyway, if in Spain and let's face it they've got a lot of people with The Lurgy so they've seen more than we have, they have observed that the folk who are already taking Metformin don't seem to get it quite so bad as folk who don't take it - then yes they jolly well SHOULD be trialling it.

I think Sedge your finding the same thing I have found with the medical profession different departments give different answers I was always under the impression that diabetes was an auto immune problem but thats what i was told when I asked why i was not high risk on the up side my diabetes is well under control

westhamman
I'm quite happy for you to block my posts in fact please do as you obviously have completely misunderstood and twisted what was posted if you can show anything in my posts that is incorrect, and anywhere I say take Metformin it cures corvid 19. I specifically said speak to your DR before doing anything. you obviously know a lot more than the Drs treating it. I will repeat what I have already stated A Spanish Dr asked how he saw the future during a bbc interview said he was very hopeful they would find drugs to combat the virus when asked to clarify he said as an example that Metformin SEEMED to lessen the affect of the virus leading to a POSSIBLE quicker recovery BUT they were still gathering information, it LOOKED hopeful I hope thats clear enough for you I am more interested in posting something that may give people hope whilst not raising their expectations to an unrealistic level

 

[romany]

Hmmmmmmmmmm ........................ Looking a bit more at that site suggests it is not one I would ever rely on for any scientific data.

Nor me Petrc10 see other posts to see where it came from

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Have people with diabetes been seen to be less likely to suffer from the corunavirus?

No, they tend to die instead, the fact that somebody has metabolic diseases puts them on the top risk along with Smokers, older people with heart disease and those who are devoid of sun exposure and lacking Vitamin D. such as those in old peoples homes, long-stay hospital etc. All flu exposure make those people very vulnerable to succumbing, from all causes. Last year there were an estimated 1.4 million people with some degree of seasonal flu and approx 5000 deaths from office of statistics figures. This year there seems to be none but there are the covid19, deaths of 4980 so far and they seems to be counting every, one as this virus. There is something very bad going on in the way figures are being collated.

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[romany]

No, they tend to die instead, the fact that somebody has metabolic diseases puts them on the top risk along with Smokers, older people with heart disease and those who are devoid of sun exposure and lacking Vitamin D. such as those in old peoples homes, long-stay hospital etc. All flu exposure make those people very vulnerable to succumbing, from all causes. Last year there were an estimated 1.4 million people with some degree of seasonal flu and approx 5000 deaths from office of statistics figures. This year there seems to be none but there are the covid19, deaths of 4980 so far and they seems to be counting every, one as this virus. There is something very bad going on in the way figures are being collated.

Completely untrue they are no more likely to die than anyone else as long as their diabetes is under control
and because of that are not top of the lists as for the figure it is very possible that people who die of corvid 19 would have died if they had caught flu unfortunately corvid 19 is not giving them the chance to catch flu.

I am pretty certain deaths from normal winter illness will be lower than normal once all the figures are in because of corvid 19 claiming them first its all academic if your dead your dead

 

[denisejoe]

Boris has t been admitted to hospital for tests

 

[joka250]

If my interpretation of ONS figures is correct in the 3 months to end of March 2020 close to 140,000 people died from all causes in the UK. I do not take Covid 19 lightly, it's virulence is frightening, but its not the only health problem we have.

 

[joka250]

Boris has t been admitted to hospital for tests

If so thats all we need. I can only wish him well irrespective of our individual political views we don't need change of leadership now.

 

[scally]

Just been taken off Metformin. Told it was destroying my kidneys. Mind you was on a high dose 850 3 times a day. On injected insulin now

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[westhamman]

Romany, I said I would block you if I died, I would obviously not be reading anybody's posts. and that I, as most would hope that metformin would lessen the symptoms of covid-19.
I have been on metformin for the last 10years I'm completely hooked I'm afraid. I tried stupidly once to stop taking it without doctors advice for a few days my body was not having it and reacted badly.
I agree about the death rate, about 600,000 people die annually in the UK, speaking at distance to our neighbour who is a practice nurse, they saw very little influenza this year, lots of coughs though, it will be interesting to see the rate after this is all over, but if these measures were not taken it would be a whole lot worse.

 

[sedge]

Diabetes - Type 1 is defo auto immune. Type 2 isn't. LADA probably is, MODY isn't, and neither is Type 3a.

Anyway no matter really, it all needs controlling properly whatever 'Type' it happens to be and we'd all be in serious health trouble sooner or later, if we don't. When D is purely insulin controlled (whatever label we might have) because DKA is a REAL danger to life, a true medical emergency that will NOT wait At All - when we get anything else (OMG you should have seen my ongoing ketone level after I broke my kneecap) alongside the D - and that's just something we have to live with For Ever. Coronavirus is just another worry to add to the rich pattern of our everyday lives ….. !

 

[romany]

Romany, I said I would block you if I died, I would obviously not be reading anybody's posts. and that I, as most would hope that metformin would lessen the symptoms of covid-19.
I have been on metformin for the last 10years I'm completely hooked I'm afraid. I tried stupidly once to stop taking it without doctors advice for a few days my body was not having it and reacted badly.
I agree about the death rate, about 600,000 people die annually in the UK, speaking at distance to our neighbour who is a practice nurse, they saw very little influenza this year, lots of coughs though, it will be interesting to see the rate after this is all over, but if these measures were not taken it would be a whole lot worse.

Point taken

 

[Wildbill]

I don.t know why but on this thread my grandsons picture holding his trophy appears in romanys aviator window but when i click on romanys profile his normal profile picture appers Jim might be abil to solve the mistery and i don't see the small window with him playing rugby
bill

 

[romany]

I don.t know why but on this thread my grandsons picture holding his trophy appears in romanys aviator window but when i click on romanys profile his normal profile picture appers Jim might be abil to solve the mistery and i don't see the small window with him playing rugby
bill

Well I did try and log on late last night and got a message that I was locked out due to too many log in attempts, thought I had made an unnecessary journey to Coventry seems ok now though

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