Ignition Key won't turn fully

[Emmit]

The message is in the title.

Went to our X244 (1999-2006) Hobby this evening to lock it up.
Put the key in the ignition in our to turn on the power to close the front windows and, the key turned about half way
to turning the ignition on but no further.

Anyone had such a glitch and if so, (I'm sitting down!) What was the outcome.

As an aside we are covered for breakdowns at home through Nationwide.
The operative tried to tell me that 'Purpose Built motorhomes are not covered.
She stated that as I had answered 'Yes' to that question I was not covered. I tried to tell her that the
question was just to confirm that the vehicle was allowed to be up to 7.5 tonnes laden and up to
8 Mts. long but she was having none of it.

I asked when that restriction had occurred and also pointed out that, about 12 months ago they
had ferried me home as a result of an exhaust problem.

All she did was to reiterate that we were not covered.

I politely requested that she consult with someone in a managerial position and further pointed out that, if I
had to seek assistance elsewhere and had to pay for it, there would be a complaint made and redress would be demanded for the
assistance I required.

A short time later she rang back to confirm that the vehicle was covered and the conditions allowing motorhomes had changed
recently and she had not been told. Pure poppycock as I have previously stated they recovered me 12 months ago.

 

[Spriddler]

I guess you've tried the obvious; jiggling the steering wheel whilst turning the key as the steering lock may be holding it back.
My automatic won't start unless it's in 'Park' but as I read it it's your key that physically won't turn any further than ignition on.

 

[klaatu]

This is a bit of an obvious reply, but anything to do with the steering lock?

Edit: snap!

 

[68c]

EDIT Sorry I was typing up the steering lock idea so missed all the previous.

 

[TheBig1]

I would guess steering lock activated and stuck. May need cleaning and lubricating, by removing the shroud to access it

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[DavidG58]

If it is auto I would try that, maybe move to N and try there

check handbrake before moving

 

[JockandRita]

Sorry Derek, I'm not able to offer an alternative to the suggestions above, as that is my only experience.

It is so annoying when customer service operatives read off a script, with no product knowledge whatsoever.

Good luck getting it sorted.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[bigwood]

Remove the plastic shrouds around the lock and try spraying a little WD 40 in the barrel. Then gently tap the barrel as you turn the key. The plungers in the lock barrel may be stuck because they are dry.

 

[Emmit]

This is a bit of an obvious reply, but anything to do with the steering lock?

Edit: snap!

Been out to it. (Again)

When this occurred the 'van was sat on the drive with no steering lock on.
I can turn the wheel and the steering lock engages. The insertion of the key
and it's partial turning releases the steering lock.
The 'Park' facility works with both the steering lock on and off.

 

[TheBig1]

Been out to it. (Again)

When this occurred the 'van was sat on the drive with no steering lock on.
I can turn the wheel and the steering lock engages. The insertion of the key
and it's partial turning releases the steering lock.
The 'Park' facility works with both the steering lock on and off.

then the actual switch at the back of the lock may be knackered. The lock barrel turns so it is not that just the final turn will be blocked if the switch won't turn

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[Emmit]

I'll give the 'Gentle tapping' a miss this time.
Just had a call from 'Brenda' who is the conduit to the 'Technician' who is just finishing a job in Looe.

Watch this space.

 

[TheBig1]

'Technician' who is just finishing a job in Looe.

maybe a dodgy curry, but no excuse to leave you waiting

 

[Emmit]

The 'Technician' turned out to be 'Old School' mechanic. He took the Ignition to bits, and got the ignition on and as a result got the windows up and therefore the vehicle secure.

New Lock/Barrel to be obtained manana..

 

[TheBig1]

The 'Technician' turned out to be 'Old School' mechanic. He took the Ignition to bits, and got the ignition on and as a result got the windows up and therefore the vehicle secure.

New Lock/Barrel to be obtained manana..

make sure you get the lock keyed alike, or it will be different to your door key

 

[TheBig1]

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[Emmit]

make sure you get the lock keyed alike, or it will be different to your door key

Simple question;

How do we/I do that?.

 

[The Coops]

You did check it was your van and not someones elses? Found a Dutch couple trying to get in my old Hobby on the site at Delft, pointed out their van was in the next row along!

 

[Emmit]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-...0001&campid=5338547443&icep_item=184309760713

Putting in our 'vans details apparently reveals that this one, (No doubt others are available) will not fit our 'van.

Thanks for your input on this which I am not 'Poo Pooing'

My very dependable local garage is my friend on this. They're only around the corner, so to speak, and can do the necessary, even coming to the house to ensure I don't **** it up.

Just for info of all those Funsters out there. The Barrel/Ignition wraps around the steering column and is held on by two 'Bolts' that are tamper proof. In manufacturer, the bolts have hexagonal tops as normal but they 'Snap off' on being tightened to a specific torque, leaving two round stumps. They will have to be drifted out.

 

[TheBig1]

which van do you have Derek? I thought it was a 2002-2006 ducato?

To get the lock keyed alike, I would buy the new lock and switch off ebay. Take that and the original to a friendly locksmith. with the keys. He will withdraw the plug, that the key turns and put the old one in the new lock.

Refitting is very simple DIY, just line it up on the steering column. insert the bolts in the collar and tighten loosely. insert electrical plug and test it all works, adjust position if required. When working right (easy to achieve) tighten the the bolts evenly then one more turn and the head shears off. Takes all of 10 minutes

 

[Emmit]

Thanks for that.
Let's start with removing the tamperproof nuts off.
I managed one but getting to the other is somewhat problematic (for that read, a right pain) . I can't find the methodology of removing the top cover from the column, anybody???

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[gus-lopez]

You did check it was your van and not someones elses? Found a Dutch couple trying to get in my old Hobby on the site at Delft, pointed out their van was in the next row along!

wife opened up & got in a fiesta before realising it wasn't hers.

They will have to be drifted out.

slots cut across for a screw driver.
Best way when refitting is to do them u tight without shearing them. It doesn't matter as a thief wouldn't go to that bother just punch lock out with screwdriver & turn

I can't find the methodology of removing the top cover from the column, anybody???

Viloence & yanking is the only way. .there is no way to clear anything with out steering wheel being removed
I have brand new boxed lock here for a mark 1

 

[gus-lopez]

I imagine it is the inner one that you haven't got off? if so with other removed try a centre punch & hammer to the domed part & try to unscrew. Or a long thin cold chisel. with other out it only takes one blow usually to get it to move & then you can undo with long nosed pliers,fingers

 

[jockaneezer]

Like Gus says, could you borrow a Dremel off someone and cut a screwdriver slot in it ?

 

[Geo]

I imagine it is the inner one that you haven't got off? if so with other removed try a centre punch & hammer to the domed part & try to unscrew. Or a long thin cold chisel. with other out it only takes one blow usually to get it to move & then you can undo with long nosed pliers,fingers

You can tell those on here who have had a miss spent youth

 

[Emmit]

Like Gus says, could you borrow a Dremel off someone and cut a screwdriver slot in it ?

Hmph! What do you mean 'Borrow'?

I'll have you know I'm the proud owner of a PORTUGUESE!!! Levigatrice a Penna Ricaricabile, So There!!!

Shhhh! It was from Lidl.

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[Emmit]

Here you all are; replacements 83p plus vat. To be obtained from Plymuff on Monday.

 

[Emmit]

wife opened up & got in a fiesta before realising it wasn't hers.
slots cut across for a screw driver.
Best way when refitting is to do them u tight without shearing them. It doesn't matter as a thief wouldn't go to that bother just punch lock out with screwdriver & turn

Viloence & yanking is the only way. .there is no way to clear anything with out steering wheel being removed
I have brand new boxed lock here for a mark 1

Au Contraire, (my favourite saying ATM)
The top of the cowl is held in for a limbo dancer to unscrew with two little screws that fit through the Indicator/Lighting Stalk.

I may never Limbo again. Oh! Hang on, I'll have to repeat the procedure next week. NURSE!!! the Ibuprofen.

 

[Emmit]

Postscript to this thread.

Nationwide sent me a chance to do a review of last nights fiasco.
I've vented my spleen and, if it's like last years breakdown, I'll be getting
a phone call in the next couple of days.