Hi We have an Elddis 196 Evolution, bought October 2019. We have numerous faults with it. The main fault leisure battery does not charge when driving.

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Has anyone else had a similar problem?
Also when driving does the fridge receive 12v supply for alternator or leisure battery? Thanks for any help.
 
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It may be a different set up but on our 2012 Aspire 255, it needs a D+ signal from the alternator, this actives the step to retract, energises the fridge to start the 12 volt supply and closes the split charge relay. On ours is a setup inside the (B) post drivers side that operates the relays. It failed three times over five years?
 
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Bessy765 said:
It may be a different set up but on our 2012 Aspire 255, it needs a D+ signal from the alternator, this actives the step to retract, energises the fridge to start the 12 volt supply and closes the split charge relay. On ours is a setup inside the (B) post drivers side that operates the relays. It failed three times over five years?
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We had the same relay fail which is why I was asking if the OP had the same symptoms as we had.
 
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Ken Bush said:
Has anyone else had a similar problem?
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Have a read of this thread, it may answer some of what you want to know. From post#6 onwards.
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b to b charger

is there any cheap alternative to a battery to battery charger ,im sure years ago i bought something to connect both batterys up that was very cheap i was abit surprised at how expensive the b to b chargers are any help appreciated.
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Ken Bush said:
Also when driving does the fridge receive 12v supply for alternator or leisure battery? Thanks for any help.
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The fridge has two 12V supplies. A low power one from the leisure battery that powers the fridge control board, gas ignition etc. And a high power one from the alternator/starter battery that powers the fridge 12V heater element. The high power one is usually switched by a relay, so that it only comes on when the engine is running.

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I would expect it to have a split charge relay fitted that would enable the leisure battery to be charged from the alternator when the engine is running this should also switch the fridge operation to 12v (if a 3 x way fridge) taking its power from the engine battery which will also be being charged by the alternator.
 
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Thanks for response. The fridge doesn’t peep when switched to battery with engine running. All other electric is turned off when engine starts.
Last weekend we had the water in fuel filter come. It’s only done 5000 miles. Changing oil warning adblue refill lights also on. Should it have used more than 10 litres of adblue with this mileage? Frustrating, have had to book in for full service early to clear warning lights.
 
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Ken Bush said:
Thanks for response. The fridge doesn’t peep when switched to battery with engine running. All other electric is turned off when engine starts.
Last weekend we had the water in fuel filter come. It’s only done 5000 miles. Changing oil warning adblue refill lights also on. Should it have used more than 10 litres of adblue with this mileage? Frustrating, have had to book in for full service early to clear warning lights.
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Your Adblue tank will need filling, they don't leave the manufacturers full and are classed as a consumable in similar way to fuel so won't be part of a service. It's not like coolant or break fluid.
The pugs have a 15L tank so to be honest you're probably lucky it's lasted this long. Never let it run out as the engine will go into limp mode and it's an expensive trip to the garage as it's the owners responsibility. It's cheaper to buy it from Ebay than from the forecourt so it maybe worth storing a couple of 10L barrels at home, shelf life in normal conditions is around 18 months.

If your van has a trip computer etc there should be a sub section in it showing you your Adblue consumption and range.

Our Transit has a 21L Adblue tank and has had 2 10L barrels since new end of June 2020 although I've never waited until the warning light has come on. Mileage is just over 4000. It also had an oil change at 11.5 months.

Was the vehicle serviced last year in line with the warranty as the engine oil should be changed every 12 months or 20,000 miles?

When the engine is running both the vehicle and leisure battery should be charged. If at any time during the vans life the fridge remained on 12v and not had the engine running or on hook up it would discharge the leisure battery very quickly which could well mean it's knackered and has finally given up.
 
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My 2019 built Compass Avantgarde 196, which is a rebadged Elddis, charges both batteries from the alternator. I found a simple Battery Master solved the problem with EHU not charging the engine start battery, and having to use 2 battery conditioners (one for each) when left on charge at home. Why do manufacturers skimp on this when building, it would cost them less than £50 per unit? I know it all adds up but it's a lot harder to wire retrospectively.
 
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Wannabee said:
My 2019 built Compass Avantgarde 196, which is a rebadged Elddis, charges both batteries from the alternator. I found a simple Battery Master solved the problem with EHU not charging the engine start battery, and having to use 2 battery conditioners (one for each) when left on charge at home. Why do manufacturers skimp on this when building, it would cost them less than £50 per unit? I know it all adds up but it's a lot harder to wire retrospectively.
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Doesn't your control panel give you the option to charge either when on EHU?

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It's not that elaborate, it doesn't have an electrical control panel as such. All it has is an On/off button and a test button that gives a basic voltage indication. Of which battery is unclear. The only way I've been able to work out what's going on in each section is to test voltages with my meter when running, charging, on EHU etc and by pulling fuses to isolate parts under test. Anyway it all works!
 
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Does it have a Smart alternator? They don't output all the time like the old "stupid" ones!
 
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What do the warning image mean?The one between fuel and temperature gauge.
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Wannabee said:
It's not that elaborate, it doesn't have an electrical control panel as such. All it has is an On/off button and a test button that gives a basic voltage indication. Of which battery is unclear. The only way I've been able to work out what's going on in each section is to test voltages with my meter when running, charging, on EHU etc and by pulling fuses to isolate parts under test. Anyway it all works!
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Hi can i ask did you fit the extra battery yourself?,im getting an avantgarde 196 and want to fit an extra battery to stay off grid a little longer,ive opted for the solar panel too.
 
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Hi Mine has only the standard setup of start and one habitation battery. There might be room to fit another alongside the existing, under the seat and behind the battery box as the existing is sited in effect outside and accessed from a hinged hatch. I've added quite a few extras, to suit our usage of the van. Twin rear camera (reversing and rear mirror), underslung gas tank (freed up rear locker) and barbeque point, rear air suspension (for payload to 3850kg) and much improved stability which was quite frightening as standard, a Battery Master as the engine battery isn't charged by the hookup as standard, Cat 2-1 alarm, replacement Pioneer head unit with Android Auto, electric fridge fans x2, towbar etc. Not got round to a solar yet, as mainly on EHU anyway. Enjoy your van, we love ours but you do finish them yourself and some assembly and build has been found to be very poor.
 
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Hi Mine has only the standard setup of start and one habitation battery. There might be room to fit another alongside the existing, under the seat and behind the battery box as the existing is sited in effect outside and accessed from a hinged hatch. I've added quite a few extras, to suit our usage of the van. Twin rear camera (reversing and rear mirror), underslung gas tank (freed up rear locker) and barbeque point, rear air suspension (for payload to 3850kg) and much improved stability which was quite frightening as standard, a Battery Master as the engine battery isn't charged by the hookup as standard, Cat 2-1 alarm, replacement Pioneer head unit with Android Auto, electric fridge fans x2, towbar etc. Not got round to a solar yet, as mainly on EHU anyway. Enjoy your van, we love ours but you do finish them yourself and some assembly and build has been found to be very poor.
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I hope you changed your tyres and rims when you had your air springs and new shock absorbers fitted? There are hundreds who forget that the standard 215/15's are no good for 3850kg and drive away regardless.
 
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Standard rims with 215/70 R15 CP 109R, only addition was air spring in place of bump stop. All declared and approved by SV Tech. In reality its not a huge increase because each axle max capacity is unchanged at 1850/2000 kg, all the upgrade gave was the addition of those 2 weights together rather than capping the total GVW at 3500 kg. The sticking point is the rear axle max capacity of 2000 kg, not the tyres at 1030 kg each = 2060 kg.
 
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