Ducato X290 Windscreen Scuttle wate

[PaulandChrissy]

Hi Everyone
If anyone has this problem and is going to the Norfolk show next month, let me know and I will see if I can design a deflector at the show to try and resolve this problem. A deflector may not be the answer, but I’m happy to take a look at the problem with worried funsters.

PaulandChrissy

 

[MitchandJenny]

Hi Everyone
If anyone has this problem and is going to the Norfolk show next month, let me know and I will see if I can design a deflector at the show to try and resolve this problem. A deflector may not be the answer, but I’m happy to take a look at the problem with worried funsters.

PaulandChrissy

I drilled a hole at each end of the scuttle, large enough to insert a a nozzle (the ones used for silicone and mastic cartridges etc). I pushed them into holes ( pointed end down ) then pushed cut lengths of garden hose onto the taper from underneath. Any water is then led harmlessly into the wheel arches to fall on the ground. Simples !!
Mitch.
Just as an extra,, the large oval plastic air intake scoop ( under the bonnet ) can gather water that comes through the bonnet grille and then get sucked into the engine.. so I repeated the same remedy, but using smaller nozzles and pipes.
Good luck.
Mitch.

 

[MitchandJenny]

PS to my last post :- I have a 2014 x250, but same problem, same remedy.
Mitch.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

I drilled a hole at each end of the scuttle, large enough to insert a a nozzle (the ones used for silicone and mastic cartridges etc). I pushed them into holes ( pointed end down ) then pushed cut lengths of garden hose onto the taper from underneath. Any water is then led harmlessly into the wheel arches to fall on the ground. Simples !!
Mitch.
Just as an extra,, the large oval plastic air intake scoop ( under the bonnet ) can gather water that comes through the bonnet grille and then get sucked into the engine.. so I repeated the same remedy, but using smaller nozzles and pipes.
Good luck.
Mitch.

Was that for the latest model or the pre 2014 model

 

[MitchandJenny]

Was that for the latest model or the pre 2014 model

Later model. Autotrail Tracker EKS 2 berth.
Euro 5 spec.
Mitch

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[iandsm]

Was that for the latest model or the pre 2014 model

Don't know if it helps but mines a 2016 and has three large drains in the Scuttle. one in the centre and one at each end, no problems so long as they are kept clear of any leaves etc.

 

[GeoffnDee]

My 2015 Peugeot boxer X290 does not have the water getting on to the engine problem , due to a better design with large drain pipes
in the scuttle , but my last van (X250) did have this problem.

 

[mikebeaches]

Don't know if it helps but mines a 2016 and has three large drains in the Scuttle. one in the centre and one at each end, no problems so long as they are kept clear of any leaves etc.

Ours is also a 2016 X290, and the design has been much improved over the X250. It used to be a bit of a pain in our old van.

As the previous poster GeoffnDee described, there are three LARGE drain holes for the scuttle now, including one in the centre.

The issue from the previous model has been resolved IMHO.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

Ours is also a 2016 X290, and the design has been much improved over the X250. It used to be a bit of a pain in our old van.

As the previous poster GeoffnDee described, there are three LARGE drain holes for the scuttle now, including one in the centre.

The issue from the previous model has been resolved IMHO.

I thought the same, that the 2014 and later were OK. But I keep seeing posts with problems of water getting into the fuse box and still dripping onto the engine. Hopefully some funsters will seek me out at Norfolk and I can see where the problems are. Just PM me at the show anyone. We will be there on Thursday.

 

[solaris]

Ours is a 2018 Boxer with the 3 drain holes. I find bottle brushes from Lakeland pushed down each hole help prevent blocking

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[PaulandChrissy]

Ours is a 2018 Boxer with the 3 drain holes. I find bottle brushes from Lakeland pushed down each hole help prevent blocking

That’s just the job. Excellent. It seems the most important thing is to keep those drains clear of debris. Mushy leaves seem to be the largest culprit.

 

[2GB Racing]

Anyone experiencing the problem with the X290 need to clean the drain holes out properly, as stated with a long brush they are a long drain and just one leaf has the potential to bung it up well out of sight.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

Hi Everyone
We are at the Norfolk show now. If anyone wants to come and talk about their scuttle water leaks on the 2014 on Ducato, come and find me. We are an AutoTrail Comanche reg ending USA. What3Words image below.

PaulandChrissy

 

[RM_Marine]

Anyone experiencing the problem with the X290 need to clean the drain holes out properly, as stated with a long brush they are a long drain and just one leaf has the potential to bung it up well out of sight.

I normally just shove the hose down the hole

 

[PaulandChrissy]

I normally just shove the hose down the hole

That’s the problem, there is no hole. It seems to leak past the cab heater intake vent seal. As far as I can see, that’s the only leak, but I think funsters have mentioned other leaks. That’s what I would like to look at for people.

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[PaulandChrissy]

As far as I can see so far, there seems to be two issues. The first is the drain pipe connector that leaks. This just needs sealing. (nothing for me to make). The second issue seems to be the joint around the air intake rubber seal. For this I am going to make a drain away tray to solve this.
Does anyone else have other areas with issues.

 

[iandsm]

The connector is easily sealed with a turn or two of waterproof gaffer tape. The air intake has a drain inside at the bottom which will let any water out before it can reach the air filter so it cannot be drawn into the engine.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

The connector is easily sealed with a turn or two of waterproof gaffer tape. The air intake has a drain inside at the bottom which will let any water out before it can reach the air filter so it cannot be drawn into the engine.

Agreed, there is a nice big drain at the back of the intake. The problem is with the duct on the bonnet that is supposed to seal on to the rubber seal when the bonnet is closed. The seal just doesn’t work. The water can’t get over the seal when the bonnet is closed and seeps out onto the air filter housing +gearbox +fuse box.

 

[Sapper520]

I always have a pool of water on the front edge of the air intake, on the second picture, even after washing the van.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

I always have a pool of water on the front edge of the air intake, on the second picture, even after washing the van.

This will be addressed with the water tray I am going to make. It won’t stop the water buildup in the vent, but will divert it away safely, rather than dripping on the air filter casing and surrounding area.

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[PaulandChrissy]

I aim to stop this.

 

[iandsm]

This will be addressed with the water tray I am going to make. It won’t stop the water buildup in the vent, but will divert it away safely, rather than dripping on the air filter casing and surrounding area.

It will be interesting to see how you progress with this. I look forward to your results.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

Hi Everyone
After experimenting and testing on my brothers X290 2016 Ducato van, I can now offer a drip tray to carry away the water that drips from the air intake seal. If you look in my classifieds you will see it.
Cheers PaulandChrissy

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[the1andonly]

Anyone experiencing the problem with the X290 need to clean the drain holes out properly, as stated with a long brush they are a long drain and just one leaf has the potential to bung it up well out of sight.

yep agree i've had this problem. I use a trombone brush.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

yep agree i've had this problem. I use a trombone brush.

What does the trombone brush do.

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[PaulandChrissy]

yep agree i've had this problem. I use a trombone brush.

The leak is where the ducting fixed to the underside of the bonnet closes onto the rubber seal. The water can jump over the seal and so it seeps through down onto the gearbox and electrics. The drain at the back of the ductwork is huge, but the leak is before it even gets to the drain pipe.

PaulandChrissy

 

[the1andonly]

What does the trombone brush do.

Shift the leaf detritis in the various pipe work

 

[PaulandChrissy]

Still don’t cure the leak through the rubber seal.

 

[the1andonly]

The leak is where the ducting fixed to the underside of the bonnet closes onto the rubber seal. The water can jump over the seal and so it seeps through down onto the gearbox and electrics. The drain at the back of the ductwork is huge, but the leak is before it even gets to the drain pipe.

PaulandChrissy

my reply was in response to earlier coments but having read the thread further on i went out to check my van and even removed the cowling to check how much detritus was in there, not much but worth cleaning out as i could see possibility of crud affecting the seal. An option for preventative maintenance and lubricating the seal. Or I could fabricate a xx, luckily not a problem for me and ive already replaced the Airbox screw with stainless torx screws (previous experience). The left hand side could be suseptible to poor maitenance and fi tof the drain pipes but removing the engine cover shows it protects the injectors nicely.

 

[PaulandChrissy]

Keeping your drains clear as you say is a must, as it reduces leaks onto the engine/gearbox. Cleaning the rubber seal on the intake ducting also helps. But, by its design, it’s always going to allow some water to leak onto the gearbox. Problem is, it’s a pretty poor design on fiats part.
You’re quite right though, regular maintenance on these things solves most of the problems.
Stay Safe PaulandChrissy.

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