Dogs Running Loose on Sites

[Bobby dazzler]

Interesting. I left a review of a CCP site only yesterday asking why certain dog owners think it’s ok to leave their crap to spoil the place for the next user.

Yes sadly it seems the same at alot of them on a CCP now and loads of dogs of the lead

 

[eddie]

The answer surely is to have a huge, massive really aggressive dog that looks scary, no one will go close so job done

 

[PP Bear]

The answer surely is to have a huge, massive really aggressive dog that looks scary, no one will go close so job done

Or marry a scouser, they’re scary

 

[stuartholmes]

I know that, we've met a few idiots with dogs whilst in France who think it's funny to come over to our tethered dogs with their dogs, on leads or not, just to antagonise ours with their barking etc with the owners thinking it's funny.

Our Minky is frightened of large dogs since she was surrounded by some when a pup and due to COVID we couldn't socialise her properly. If she's introduced quietly without a lot of fuss etc she's very accepting but when a barking hairy beast comes rushing over it scares her sh*tless!

I agree, you can never assume any dog, not even one who you've had for many years, will always act correctly, just like humans they have good and bad days etc.

Elle est peut-être petite mais si je lâche mon chien, elle mangera le vôtre. s'il te plaît, emporte-le

 

[stuartholmes]

The answer surely is to have a huge, massive really aggressive dog that looks scary, no one will go close so job done

I was thinking more to carry a big club wih nails sticking out & threaten to whack the offending dog but probably that would count as carrying an offensive weapon - whereas having a potentially lethal dog out & off-lead doesn't....

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[Bobby dazzler]

The answer surely is to have a huge, massive really aggressive dog that looks scary, no one will go close so job done

Or a scary wife

 

[eddie]

I was thinking more to carry a big club wih nails sticking out & threaten to whack the offending dog but probably that would count as carrying an offensive weapon - whereas having a potentially lethal dog out & off-lead doesn't....

But dogs are cute so why not embrace your fear and cuddle a dog rather that whack it?

 

[stuartholmes]

But dogs are cute so why not embrace your fear and cuddle a dog rather that whack it?

I am not afraid of dogs. I am worried about people who are and about dogs owned by people who don't recognise the risk.

I am also worried for what it does to a family (of humans) whose dog gets 'euthanised' because it attacked someone even though, as most owners do, they thought it was completely harmless and wouldn't hurt a soul. Well sometimes they do.

 

[Sneds]

As a dog owner I hate people who don’t have their dog on a lead.
My dog hates other dogs bonding up to him, I hate it as well especially when the owner makes no attempt to control it.
Put your dog on a lead please, may also save the dog from getting run over. Ive not yet met one who has mastered the green cross code!

 

[Bobby dazzler]

Or indeed save a accident with a driver trying to avoid a loose dog in the road

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[Dorwyn]

In an Aires in Broglie, a neighbour let its dog out to do its business, then took the dog out for a walk around the site while twirling its unattached lead! I couldn't work out the logic

 

[Bazzagas]

We've been to 2 different Camping-Car Park sites in the last few days; Rochefoucauld and Saint-Medard-de-Guizieres.

At Rochefoucauld, it seemed that every vehicle (19 at the highest count) had at least one dog. All dogs were on a lead at all times and very well behaved.

At Saint-Medard-de-Guizieres, a lot of vehicles had dogs. Those that were there when we arrived walked them around off-lead and didn't seem to care where they went. Those that arrived after us (with one exception), opened the door, let their dogs out to run around all over the place while they faffed around with EHU, tables, chairs etc. One dog ran at ours when we went out and my husband had to shout at the owner to get his dog under control.

I wonder why the two sites were so different in peoples' attitudes to loose dogs. And why do some dog owners let their dogs run loose when there are signs they should be on a lead at all times? I can't fathom it

" respect the lead "....
So many dog owners just don't know about dogs and say " he's OK "...when mines on a lead and I'm struggling to hold her..they think it's funny , but they wouldn't laugh if I let her go , which I won't as she's not good with other dogs..she's a rescue and was never associated with other dogs as a puppy..
So shes on a lead for a reason...as her trainer said " dogs will always fight "....
I take the view that if my dog is on a lead and under control, and someone else's dog is not, that's their problem..
But it doesn't help....

 

[MarlyandMango]

As a dog owner I hate people who don’t have their dog on a lead.
My dog hates other dogs bonding up to him, I hate it as well especially when the owner makes no attempt to control it.
Put your dog on a lead please, may also save the dog from getting run over. Ive not yet met one who has mastered the green cross code!

Ive walked my dog in Edinburgh daily whilst working in all areas of the city without a leas and she is happy to sit or wait and traffic lights and pedestrian crossings and wait to be told to cross when she hears the crossing signal. And her ability in doing this is regularly is very ofter complemented by others around her

 

[Peter and Julie]

I was thinking more to carry a big club wih nails sticking out & threaten to whack the offending dog but probably that would count as carrying an offensive weapon - whereas having a potentially lethal dog out & off-lead doesn't....

Imbecilic mentality. Look in the mirror before the police or ambulance service come to help you on your way!

 

[stuartholmes]

But dogs are cute so why not embrace your fear and cuddle a dog rather that whack it?

Also, it's a bit much of an ask to ''cuddle a dog'' if it's already got it's teeth into a child.

Or is barking furiously at a child who is standing on a park bench with arms up clearly trying to hold them and her whole body as far as she could out of the dog's reach while the owner made futile calls for the dog to 'come'.
That's what I witnessed in our local park recently and I was absolutely incensed as you might expect.
I put myself between the child and the dog, barked at the owner get his dog away from the child and when he finally put a lead on it continued to berate him loudly all the way to park exit about there being clearly displayed rules about dogs needing to be on a lead as he muttered about it (some mongrelly thing about the size of a bull mastiff) being harmless and I told him about the mental harm he caused that child.
So my earlier comments in this thread are not born of idle musings, they come from the anger I felt on behalf of that child's parents (who were present but a tad further away than me when the incident started).

So do dog owners care more about their dog or do they care more about the children of the world? (Who incidentally, are going to be the nurses, doctors, brain surgeons, care home managers & any of countless others we're all liable to need in the future.)

That's all. Got some Open Gardens to visit now, maybe calm down....

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[Sneds]

Ive walked my dog in Edinburgh daily whilst working in all areas of the city without a leas and she is happy to sit or wait and traffic lights and pedestrian crossings and wait to be told to cross when she hears the crossing signal. And her ability in doing this is regularly is very ofter complemented by others around her

I don’t doubt it but what if he sees a cat or a fox the other side of the road, why chance it?

 

[Snowflakes]

First outing of the season we were on a wonderful site in Suffolk, very wet but nice and quiet. The site owner explained the pitch we booked was to wet to park on, no problem we settled on some hard standing, Happy. On the third day a caravan pulled up and insisted to get on a grass pitch, even after the explanation they were adamant grass pitch. Reluctantly and on their head the owner let them pull on, with immediate effect as they were setting up, two spritely Spaniels were released onto the site that had really strict rules relating to dogs under control and on a lead, not for this pair of inconsiderate MORONS, the dogs both running all over the place and even coming into our homestead, then crapped away from their van but on another pitch, last straw for me as I did not want to step in it, and the owners were oblivious to the event. No such thing as a bad dog.
I let rip at the pair of them, Mel shrunk a bit as my tirade went on, but why are idiots allowed to get away with it, I made them pick up before they went to the site office to report my behaviour. The owner came to see us along with the site next door, our version apparently was very different from Mr and Mrs Know it all, and we were backed up by next door who witnessed everything. The idiots were told by the owner to abide by the rules of the site, they decided that the owner was being to strict, 30 minutes later they were told to leave, we laughed out loud.as they pulled out with problems as they had gone up to the axles in the muddy grass, and the owners did not offer to tow them out with the tractor.

 

[eddie]

I thought you’d answered this. Did you need more time to think about it

Also, it's a bit much of an ask to ''cuddle a dog'' if it's already got it's teeth into a child.

Perhaps if you’d showed love earlier??

However

So do dog owners care more about their dog or do they care more about the children of the world?

I have an 11 week old German Shepherd Puppy, so actually yes, I care more about my Puppy than the children of the World.

Also I’d rather the parents of the feral little shits that just wobble over and make a grab at my puppy also bothered to explain when a leaded dog is being carried, not to jump up to get to the dog!

Works both ways training, respect and manners

That's all. Got some Open Gardens to visit now, maybe calm down....

I hope you don’t see a motorhome dribbling grey water, of a miss-spaced registration number

Just for the record as this is Motor Home FUN most of my posts are light hearted, and my cuddle the dog post was

This one isn’t.

 

[BrochMike]

Our dogs are fine off lead and they are whenever reasonable BUT if the rules say they must be on a lead then they always will be.

I concur and am an ardent rule follower.

However, it is noticeable how much more "frustrated" (being barky & pulling on lead does not necessarily mean aggressive) dogs are in France where owners seem to be obliged to keep their dogs on leads in most places (including parks & beaches, etc).

Lack of socialisation (and lack of neutering) leads to many behavioural issues in dogs.

Then again, come to think of it, the same applies even more to humans

 

[HKF]

I concur and am an ardent rule follower.

However, it is noticeable how much more "frustrated" (being barky & pulling on lead does not necessarily mean aggressive) dogs are in France where owners seem to be obliged to keep their dogs on leads in most places (including parks & beaches, etc).

Lack of socialisation (and lack of neutering) leads to many behavioural issues in dogs.

Then again, come to think of it, the same applies even more to humans

Added to this, a lot of dogs are kept outside in France, many of them on chains. For those that aren't, many will face being indoors all day, alone and with the shutters closed. Neither arrangement is great.

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[Bucket]

Yet another thread about dog behaviour that confirms my view half the population has gone bonkers over what amounts to a barely trained wild animal.
People who don't love the beasts now have to witness and sometimes experience their attention and put up with owners often selfish attitudes.
How many more dog attacks and killings must occur before something is done to regulate this issue?

 

[BrochMike]

Yet another thread about dog behaviour that confirms my view half the population has gone bonkers over what amounts to a barely trained wild animal.
People who don't love the beasts now have to witness and sometimes experience their attention and put up with owners often selfish attitudes.
How many more dog attacks and killings must occur before something is done to regulate this issue?

Did you see the figures for murder by humans v. those killed by dogs each year?

In UK England & Wales, something over 600 by human hand v 16 by dogs, yet human population is only 4 times the dog population.

Clearly regulation does not solve the (perceived) problem, otherwise no-one would be murdered.

Then again, man is just a barely trained wild animal...

Edit: seems 2023 was a particularly bad year for dogs in England/Wales, typically 6 at most

 

[Geoff185]

Last year we were in a C&MHC site at Incleboro Fields near Cromer. A guy constantly walked his dog off the lead, we were walking in as he once again walked his dog off the lead. A warden approached him as he was near to us and told him to put the dog on a lead as per site rules. He was obnoxious to the extreme, she politely told him again but he carried on. At that she signaled to the other wardens who were watching to throw him off site. They did remove him for which I congratulated them . If you can’t follow the rules of a site then don’t go on them.
We were dog owners so love dogs but you have to be respectful with them

 

[stuartholmes]

Did you see the figures for murder by humans v. those killed by dogs each year?

In UK England & Wales, something over 600 by human hand v 16 by dogs, yet human population is only 4 times the dog population.

Clearly regulation does not solve the (perceived) problem, otherwise no-one would be murdered.

Then again, man is just a barely trained wild animal...

Edit: seems 2023 was a particularly bad year for dogs in England/Wales, typically 6 at most

But I think you'll find it's rather easier to keep dogs on a short lead when out in public than it is to do the same with humans...

 

[stuartholmes]

Or indeed save a accident with a driver trying to avoid a loose dog in the road

I expect we all know the 'rule' is to never, never do more than brake hard if there's a lose dog on the road.

I expect we all know that but nevertheless lots of people would instinctively swerve. I wonder whether there are statistics? Probably not but it's good to highlight this aspect.

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[Barriesimpson]

Did you see the figures for murder by humans v. those killed by dogs each year?

In UK England & Wales, something over 600 by human hand v 16 by dogs, yet human population is only 4 times the dog population.

Clearly regulation does not solve the (perceived) problem, otherwise no-one would be murdered.

Then again, man is just a barely trained wild animal...

Edit: seems 2023 was a particularly bad year for dogs in England/Wales, typically 6 at most

This is a ridiculous argument.

 

[BrochMike]

This is a ridiculous argument.

Agreed - but just trying to highlight that some perspective is required when proposing to condemn (and remove the freedoms of) an entire group because of the actions of a few.

 

[eddie]

I expect we all know the 'rule' is to never, never do more than brake hard if there's a lose dog on the road.

I expect we all know that but nevertheless lots of people would instinctively swerve. I wonder whether there are statistics? Probably not but it's good to highlight this aspect.

This rule?

Swerve for pregnant ladies, pretty young women (not ginger ones obviously) and dogs

Agreed - but just trying to highlight that some perspective is required when proposing to condemn (and remove the freedoms of) an entire group because of the actions of a few.

You missed the last word off

So I helped

Agreed - but just trying to highlight that some perspective is required when proposing to condemn (and remove the freedoms of) an entire group because of the actions of a few Million

Circa Twelve million dog owing adults in the UK actually

 

[BrochMike]

Circa Twelve million dog owing adults in the UK actually

Exactly - my reaction/comment was related to the somewhat knee-jerk suggestion of more regulation (when there is plenty already) ...

How many more dog attacks and killings must occur before something is done to regulate this issue?

Most of the 12 million dog owners (31% of households) clearly adhere or we'd be overwhelmed by ferocious man-eating canines (assuming that was 'the issue' Bucket felt so strongly about, rather than just dogs running loose on site - the original somewhat less provocative topic of the thread?)

For the record, my dog is never loose on a site (if dem's da rules) - mainly 'cos he's an annoying wee git who, although generally well trained, still decides for himself to completely ignore me if there's something particularly interesting to bark at or chase