Do your travel plans correspond with your vaccine status

[P Bentley]

Given the subject of a couple of recent threads, the following maybe of interest to some:-

"France joined Spain and Denmark last week in requiring anyone who completed their vaccination jabs more than 270 days ago to have a booster to enter the country – or be considered unvaccinated. Austria requires boosters after 180 days.

It means that any of the 18 million people in the UK who had their second dose before mid-May in 2021 would need to have been boosted if they travel to those countries on Saturday, 12 February. Only 65% of over 12s have had the booster

People travelling to Italy, Croatia and Switzerland, will not face the same border checks but may find it harder to go to restaurants, museums and other indoor venues if they have not been boosted."

Bucket, spade and a pile of red tape: UK travellers warned about Covid rule traps

Tourists who had their jabs more than 270 days ago need a booster to enter France, Spain and Denmark

www.theguardian.com

 

[Carpmart]

It’ll all ‘die’ down soon as this moves to being an endemic disease.

 

[P Bentley]

"It’ll all ‘die’ down soon as this moves to being an endemic disease."

We were saying that in March 2020.

 

[Carpmart]

"It’ll all ‘die’ down soon as this moves to being an endemic disease."

We were saying that in March 2020.

Maybe yes, but there is no reason with current strains to have anything than good safe hygienic practice from the populations of the world and a light regulatory touch. We need to get on with living with this sensibly, as opposed to some recent over reaction from some governments.

 

[P Bentley]

"We need to get on with living with this sensibly, as opposed to some recent over reaction from some governments."

Good luck with that line of wishful thinking, (logical as it is)

The majority of governments have handled this in a parochial way and there has been little or no joined up thinking between governments on a global level, nor is there ever likely to be.
Old animosity between various nations being aired, domestic political point scoring, making sure private pockets are filled with public money are just a few of the reasons why the global response has been so pathetic and uncoordinated.

That said, several countries that MH owners would travel to have new restrictions in place that involve reliance on vaccine (inc booster) and they are not going to vanish any time soon.

Those people who are thinking of motoring abroad in the near future had best be aware of (and keep up to date with) the restrictions and regs in the countries they intend to motor through, or else they will find themselves stuck where they don't want to be.
That's the point of me posting the latest regs for entering France (or Spain so it seems) ie if its after 12th Feb and you havent had booster, is that you wont be allowed in.

I speak as someone who is resident in France, and has travelled the globe for a living for the last 45 years, and haver continued to do so throughout the C19 since March 2020, and have had to undergo various lengths of quarantine (up to three weeks) and countless pcr tests along the way.
In short if I need keep my job (which I love by the way) till now and the end of the year then I have to be vaccinated, and boostered and pcr'd, in and out, and have various quarantines to undergo in order to do it.

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[gus-lopez]

Given the subject of a couple of recent threads, the following maybe of interest to some:-

"France joined Spain and Denmark last week in requiring anyone who completed their vaccination jabs more than 270 days ago to have a booster to enter the country – or be considered unvaccinated. Austria requires boosters after 180 days.

It means that any of the 18 million people in the UK who had their second dose before mid-May in 2021 would need to have been boosted if they travel to those countries on Saturday, 12 February. Only 65% of over 12s have had the booster

People travelling to Italy, Croatia and Switzerland, will not face the same border checks but may find it harder to go to restaurants, museums and other indoor venues if they have not been boosted."

Bucket, spade and a pile of red tape: UK travellers warned about Covid rule traps

Tourists who had their jabs more than 270 days ago need a booster to enter France, Spain and Denmark

www.theguardian.com

The 270 days only applies to people who have only had 2 jabs. People who have been vaccinated twice followed by a booster jab it does not apply to. Anyone that has an EU digital covid certificate that states either 3/3 or 2/1 or has a UK cert showing 2 jabs + booster the 270 days does not apply. The EU are still discussing what validity to use for those with full cover deemed to be 3/3 or 2/1.
*** I will post link from the EU later.

 

[P Bentley]

You have to have had 3 jabs to get in, and some people have said they wont be getting a booster (for whatever reason) and the information now is that you wont be allowed into France without having had the 3


"Anyone that has an EU digital covid certificate"
As far as I understand that wont be anyone who has had jabs in UK, because you are no longer in the EU.
Best advice is to go to French Gov website (available in English) and check out their latest C-19 requirements and regs on a regular basis because it can change overnight with little or no warning.

 

[Grianan]

We have all had 2 + booster. Hopefully that will be enough.

Some families with kids can’t go to their choice of destination due to rules changing for under 18s. Not sure if it affects under 12s as we are not vaccinating them at all.

 

[P Bentley]

"Some families with kids can’t go to their choice of destination due to rules changing for under 18s. Not sure if it affects under 12s as we are not vaccinating them at all."

This is due to the incoherent policy between neighboring nations, along with the political point scoring and playing to domestic audience by blaming or scapegoating the foreigner or old enemy. All it means is inconvenience for regular travelers, especially with the regs changing frequently and often at short notice.
With boosters you should be good to go and under 12s are still exempt I think
Happy travels

 

[Kirsten]

Today - as far as I know !!!
For France [other destinations are available but my head is exploding with this one !]
Unvaccinated under 12s are exempt IF travelling with a fully vaccinated adult.
Everyone aged 16 and over who had a 2nd dose of the COVID-19 vaccine at least 3 months ago can get a booster dose; this I think needs to be given 7 days before you go to count.
12 to 16 year olds can get into France if double jabbed as they have only recently been vaccinated and so hopefully the second dose was less than 270 days ago .
now all we need is the fit to fly test to change again and I will really have a meltdown

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[Bobby dazzler]

I for one will not be getting a booster just to go on holiday as who's to say come October if I want to go again I don't need booster number 2. Smells all wrong to me I love France but if that's how it is then I will stop in blighty and I suspect I won't be the only one.

 

[sueandjohn]

The uk rule to NOT vaccinate under 12’s has wrecked my son’s family holiday plans! Their son isn’t 12 til end June , meaning they can’t get him double jabbed (plus 2 weeks gap) before the summer school holidays end ….. so another year of staycationing

 

[sueandjohn]

"We need to get on with living with this sensibly, as opposed to some recent over reaction from some governments."

Good luck with that line of wishful thinking, (logical as it is)

The majority of governments have handled this in a parochial way and there has been little or no joined up thinking between governments on a global level, nor is there ever likely to be.
Old animosity between various nations being aired, domestic political point scoring, making sure private pockets are filled with public money are just a few of the reasons why the global response has been so pathetic and uncoordinated.

That said, several countries that MH owners would travel to have new restrictions in place that involve reliance on vaccine (inc booster) and they are not going to vanish any time soon.

Those people who are thinking of motoring abroad in the near future had best be aware of (and keep up to date with) the restrictions and regs in the countries they intend to motor through, or else they will find themselves stuck where they don't want to be.
That's the point of me posting the latest regs for entering France (or Spain so it seems) ie if its after 12th Feb and you havent had booster, is that you wont be allowed in.

I speak as someone who is resident in France, and has travelled the globe for a living for the last 45 years, and haver continued to do so throughout the C19 since March 2020, and have had to undergo various lengths of quarantine (up to three weeks) and countless pcr tests along the way.
In short if I need keep my job (which I love by the way) till now and the end of the year then I have to be vaccinated, and boostered and pcr'd, in and out, and have various quarantines to undergo in order to do it.

Well put! See my post #12 for other problems for families

 

[Grianan]

I for one will not be getting a booster just to go on holiday as who's to say come October if I want to go again I don't need booster number 2. Smells all wrong to me I love France but if that's how it is then I will stop in blighty and I suspect I won't be the only one.

My reason for getting a booster was first and foremost health protection.
Travel is an added bonus.

 

[gus-lopez]

*** I will post link from the EU later.

here is the link. States it quite clearly those boosted it does not apply to.Those only double jabbed have 9 months from last jab..

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_6837

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[Bobby dazzler]

My reason for getting a booster was first and foremost health protection.
Travel is an added bonus.

Yes and that's your right to do so as its my right after 2 jabs to now rely on natural immunity. If that does satisfy the powers that be there's not much I can do about that

 

[Vintner]

The uk rule to NOT vaccinate under 12’s has wrecked my son’s family holiday plans! Their son isn’t 12 til end June , meaning they can’t get him double jabbed (plus 2 weeks gap) before the summer school holidays end ….. so another year of staycationing

I'm interested in where they would like to go? I've done a lot of research recently. We are off to France and it is not a problem taking a 12 year old that is not vaccinated as long as the parents are vaccinated. Not a problem getting them in anyway. The problem is getting them a pass sanitaire which you need for restaurants, bars and other venues. If they have had covid then the NHS proof of covid acts as a passe sanitaire for 6 months. There are other things that can be done such as daily testing (bit of a faff and expensive) or if jabbed once they can do a single test in France and get a pass for a period of time. Can't remember exact details on that one but can find link if of interest. I've only looked into France but I suspect other European countries might be similar.

 

[Kirsten]

I THINK [but might be wrong] it is only UNDER 12 year olds that this applies to and so those that are 12 or will just be 12 at time of travel cant actually go as our regs are different to the French- they are vaccinating the 5 plus year olds.
NHS are now vaccinating 5-11 year olds if they /family members are vulnerable.
12 plus years olds will be offered the vaccine nowish but they possibly wont have time to be double vaccinated before the 1/2 term holidays or even the summer in some cases.
I dont think the restaurants etc will worry in France if the odd under 12 yr old child has not got a pass sanitaire especially if the other older people have

 

[Vintner]

Hi Kirsten, I think you are wrong (hope anyway, we are going in 2 weeks!) but I don't think it is very clear and I think the UK govt site is misleading. I don't have the link handy but I screen grabbed this for a friend when we were discussing it. It is from the french website.

He then found some guidance on the Telegraph which concurred. Basically saying that 12 to 18 year olds are treated the same as vaccinated adults if travelling with vaccinated adults.

I agree that the French are unlikely to worry about a kid in a restaurant. Skiing is a problem though as you have to validate ski passes daily with a passe sanitaire.

 

[Vintner]

This is the French site that I think trumps the UK govt website

COVID-19: rules for travel between France and the UK

Find out about measures in place for all people travelling between France and the UK.

uk.ambafrance.org

I'd be very pleased to hear from someone who has actually been over with an unvaccinated 12 year old though!

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[Garfields]

Yes and that's your right to do so as its my right after 2 jabs to now rely on natural immunity. If that does satisfy the powers that be there's not much I can do about that

That's your choice but you cant then complain about other country's rules if you can meet them if you wished and were wanting to go.
Some country's are introducing more draconian rules than France. Austria if you are not fully jabbed there is very little you are allowed to do.
Agree it is much more complicated if you have kids.
We were in Italy a couple of weeks ago and the rules change several times before we went and have again since though flying into Innsbruck did complicate things somewhat.
By the summer it will all have changed again it may be easier it may be harder?

 

[Kirsten]

This is the French site that I think trumps the UK govt website

COVID-19: rules for travel between France and the UK

Find out about measures in place for all people travelling between France and the UK.

uk.ambafrance.org

I'd be very pleased to hear from someone who has actually been over with an unvaccinated 12 year old though!

If I dont die of stress we are going on 17th kids arrive by air 19th. Youngest G son is 10 , not vaccinated.
Resort says masks in the queues and does not mention daily passes linked to ski passes ; have booked him into accredited ski lessons they did not ask for anything re vaccination.
Daughter has sent me some more guidelines re children under 12 /over 12 from WHICH that AGAIN say different things to the French sites and the eurotunnel;
I am going to check again tomorrow- main difference in general is that Which article says we all need a passenger locator form on return but I though that was only for non UK citizens .

 

[The Wino]

That's your choice but you cant then complain about other country's rules if you can meet them if you wished and were wanting to go.
Some country's are introducing more draconian rules than France. Austria if you are not fully jabbed there is very little you are allowed to do.
Agree it is much more complicated if you have kids.
We were in Italy a couple of weeks ago and the rules change several times before we went and have again since though flying into Innsbruck did complicate things somewhat.
By the summer it will all have changed again it may be easier it may be harder?

I think you're right if you choose to go to another country and don't meet their requirements it's just tough. It's your choice whether you decide to meet the requirements or follow Novak example. Different for children I feel sorry for the parents its a no win.

 

[P Bentley]

Vinter says"
I agree that the French are unlikely to worry about a kid in a restaurant.
If the kid looks under 12 they will be OK if not they will be asked for pass sanitaire (even the garbage outlet mcdonalds do this)

As reported on France 24 and repeated here

France Travel: Key Points Around Boosters And Vaccine Passes

Now that France has legally mandated the need to have a Vaccine Pass to access trains, theme parks, ski lifts, cinemas and bars, here's what tourists need to know about boosters and France travel requirements.

www.forbes.com

France has now legally mandated the need to have a valid Vaccine Pass (le pass vaccinal) to access events, theme parks, transport networks, ski lifts and places, such as museums, restaurants, bars and cinemas–proof of a negative Covid-19 test result will no longer suffice. Here’s a guide on what to know for anyone traveling in France.

• And whilst having a pass is not legally required for tourists, a Pass Vaccinal is necessary to access any fun activities.
• The pass is not a physical document, but just the proof of having been vaccinated, recently recovered from Covid-19 or medically exempt from vaccination requirements. People in France use the TousAntiCovid application.
• Travelers can show whatever documents they like, in whatever form, but crucially they must have a QR code that can be scanned when entering anything from a MacDonald’s to the local cinema.
• QR codes are compatible in France with other member countries in the EU or Schengen area and the U.K.
• For anyone arriving with vaccination documents from outside the EU, these would need to be taken to a French pharmacy to obtain a QR code that can then be scanned to get into places.
• The rules are more complicated for adolescents and it can be a little more difficult to navigate France for a holiday if teens are not vaccinated. In France, anyone over the age of 16 must have a Pass Vaccinal. However, 12-15 year olds just need a Health Pass, which means that if they are not vaccinated, they can still access places for a period of 24 hours by having proof of a negative antigen test taken in France. The under 12s don’t need any other documentation.

I live in France and in my experience the French have taken the mask and pass measures much more seriously than the UK and apply them more comprehensively.

 

[Bobby dazzler]

That's your choice but you cant then complain about other country's rules if you can meet them if you wished and were wanting to go.
Some country's are introducing more draconian rules than France. Austria if you are not fully jabbed there is very little you are allowed to do.
Agree it is much more complicated if you have kids.
We were in Italy a couple of weeks ago and the rules change several times before we went and have again since though flying into Innsbruck did complicate things somewhat.
By the summer it will all have changed again it may be easier it may be harder?

Yes we will see where it goes be very interesting to see I recon

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[Kirsten]

not that I read the Daily Fail ...... but it has a small article stating the French are thinking of dropping covid test requirement for vaccinated Brits and US citizens in the near future.
Dont know whether to laugh or cry. Managed to book 5 LFTs today after many many stressful hours [IT issues - lots of info needing checked etc ]

 

[jako999]

Our family have had to have our vaccinations against our wishes to go to the States for May. We have booked to go to Germany in August (if the new motorhome turns up) but after seeing that some of Europe if saying you can only come in if your boosted it looks like if Germany goes that way we will be stopping in England again, but there are lots of nice places to go in England.

 

[Grianan]

not that I read the Daily Fail ...... but it has a small article stating the French are thinking of dropping covid test requirement for vaccinated Brits and US citizens in the near future.
Dont know whether to laugh or cry. Managed to book 5 LFTs today after many many stressful hours [IT issues - lots of info needing checked etc ]

I hope that’s the case. We take 2 overnights to get down to Dover so unlikely to go whilst testing for triple vaccinated still required.

As for thé Pass Sanitaire - from our experience there will be no exceptions. If over 12s required by law to have one they’ll only be allowed into hospitality with one. Everyone was checked when we were there.

 

[Kirsten]

Its in the Grauniad as well so must be true !!!

 

[Garfields]

Our family have had to have our vaccinations against our wishes to go to the States for May.

Sorry you have not been forced to do anything
No one is making you go to the States
There is every chance you will also need the booster by May to get into USA