Dartmoor bye law proposals - last chance to comment.

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In case any members would like to comment on these proposals, consultation is open until 1st November. There is a section on Motorhomes parking overnight and sensible responses might help to further our cause. Other sections might also be of interest.

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ManTheVan said:
In case any members would like to comment on these proposals, consultation is open until 1st November. There is a section on Motorhomes parking overnight and sensible responses might help to further our cause. Other sections might also be of interest.

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I'm not that familiar with Dartmoor, I Have 2 questions: 1, Is it generally suitable to park overnight in laybys etc? 2, have there been big problems up there with motorhomes? by that I mean, people staying for weeks putting washing lines up outside the vehicle etc or unsuitable access roads etc.
 
ManTheVan said:
In case any members would like to comment on these proposals, consultation is open until 1st November. There is a section on Motorhomes parking overnight and sensible responses might help to further our cause. Other sections might also be of interest.

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Thanks for the heads up (y) - Survey completed
 
thanks again i have done the survey hope we will still be able to park for a night on the moor,s its a lovely place to explore
 
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jongood said:
I'm not that familiar with Dartmoor, I Have 2 questions: 1, Is it generally suitable to park overnight in laybys etc? 2, have there been big problems up there with motorhomes? by that I mean, people staying for weeks putting washing lines up outside the vehicle etc or unsuitable access roads etc.
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people go there for peace and quiet, never seen anyone with washing out, chairs positioned away from there vans enjoying the surrounding yes
 
jongood said:
I'm not that familiar with Dartmoor, I Have 2 questions: 1, Is it generally suitable to park overnight in laybys etc? 2, have there been big problems up there with motorhomes? by that I mean, people staying for weeks putting washing lines up outside the vehicle etc or unsuitable access roads etc.
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It’s suitable, but completely banned. The park authority has littered the moor with horrid yellow signs that make it clear that overnighting is not permitted anywhere. Apart from being extremely unsightly, it’s also very unwelcoming to visitors.

In answer to your second question, no, as residents we have been unaware of any problems with motorhomes.
 
Trouble is that some people do not get the difference between "Overnight Parking", and setting up camp,
Until they do this issue will not go away !!
Joe
 
Here’s some local reaction…

www.plymouthherald.co.uk

Call for 'pompous' Dartmoor byelaws to be scrapped

Amongst other things, the proposed changes also say that between 1 March and 31 July each year, all dogs have to be kept on a short lead of no more than two metres in length - and anyone in breach of these rules could face a £1000 fine.
www.plymouthherald.co.uk www.plymouthherald.co.uk
 
ManTheVan said:
Here’s some local reaction…

www.plymouthherald.co.uk

Call for 'pompous' Dartmoor byelaws to be scrapped

Amongst other things, the proposed changes also say that between 1 March and 31 July each year, all dogs have to be kept on a short lead of no more than two metres in length - and anyone in breach of these rules could face a £1000 fine.
www.plymouthherald.co.uk www.plymouthherald.co.uk
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Ive just done the survey, apart from a view valid points about wilful damage and lighting fires - mostly pompous twaddle. Who dreams this stuff up? Kiljoys-r-us?
 
I have completed it & asked why I am having to answer questions relating to questions I haven't stated they wanted. they really know how to wind people up. Hopefully the abuse they recieve might enlighten them.
 
jongood said:
Ive just done the survey, apart from a view valid points about wilful damage and lighting fires - mostly pompous twaddle. Who dreams this stuff up? Kiljoys-r-us?
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Glad I’m not the only one who feels that. Heaven help the MH driver who pulls off the road, responsibly, for a sandwich and coffee with a beautiful view. Under these proposals it could cost them £1,000. And we pay our local council tax levy to the Dartmoor National Park Authority to employ the people who have time to dream this twaddle up.
 
Completed and Thanks for the Heads-Up. Some Common Sense eroded by casual legislation and seemingly tidy statements that are itterly unenforceable. Disappointing.
 
Was much easier to answer/comment once you pull up the other document from the consultation site showing the current wording alongside the proposed.

But yes, done!
 
ManTheVan said:
Glad I’m not the only one who feels that. Heaven help the MH driver who pulls off the road, responsibly, for a sandwich and coffee with a beautiful view. Under these proposals it could cost them £1,000. And we pay our local council tax levy to the Dartmoor National Park Authority to employ the people who have time to dream this twaddle up.
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You're a bit behind the times, council tax levy was stopped 20 years or so ago, all National Parks are funded from central government coffers
 
JimmE said:
Was much easier to answer/comment once you pull up the other document from the consultation site showing the current wording alongside the proposed.

But yes, done!
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why shold yo have to thog? Bit like Transport for London having a vote on what applies to 8million Londoners & restricting it to tose registered members of TFL? All wrong the scum shold be nailed to tree's .All done to ensure that the least amount of people can comment & vote so as they can get the answer/result they want.
 
Some of these are rules are bonkers - I have this image of someone on the end of 6 dog leads being dragged over the moor. colliding with a group of 100 people on horses and knocking them all over like skittles. The problem with many of these rules is that a lot are unenforceable. Who is going to count a group of walkers and say, sorry mate, you are the 51st, so you must walk on your own? Equally, who is going to say that a BBQ that has been placed on bone dry grass is against the bylaw, while the other one is OK because you have thoughtfully brought your child's sand pit to stand it in, during a long, hot summer? Best to just ban BBQs altogether, that way it is simple, clear and would protect the moor from catastrophic fires, which are the real risk, not a few motorhomes parked up for the night. Living close to the New Forest, I can see why you would not want people firing up BBQs. We have had some serious fires due to careless use of BBQs. Another local rule is no parking on verges - here is a quote abut the New Forest verges:
Why are they so important?
Our verges are a separate designated feature of the New Forest’s Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI). You’d be forgiven for not noticing these Forest edges as you travel through the National Park. They often look like muddy or grassy areas that simply link the Forest to the road. In fact, these verges are incredibly important habitats supporting many different animals and plant species such as chamomile, harebell, small fleabane, field gentian and pennyroyal. Not only that, they’re an important part of the New Forest landscape, softening the visual impact of roads and buildings, as well as providing food for the free-roaming livestock.
The eroding Forest
Over the years, many New Forest verges have become informal parking spots or stopping areas. This can really damage the Forest as the vegetation gets worn away, tree roots exposed and the ground impacted. Over time, this starts to reduce the footprint of the Forest, gradually eroding and reducing it.
So I can see why Dartmoor would want the same restriction.
I do hope the Dartmoor bosses look sensibly at responsible motorhomes as an asset, not a problem.
 
I thoroughly agree with the Dartmoor Authorities. Anyone that "camps " ie stays the night on the Park, should be fined, there are enough signs telling you not too! If you can't see them , then you shouldn't be driving a motor vehicle!!

It's a great place to go, some great walks there, Mother nature at it's rawest some times in the year.

AND! Human nature at it's worst ! You only have to see the litter, and human filth left behind at popular sites/spots.
 
rangi said:
I thoroughly agree with the Dartmoor Authorities. Anyone that "camps " ie stays the night on the Park, should be fined, there are enough signs telling you not too! If you can't see them , then you shouldn't be driving a motor vehicle!!

It's a great place to go, some great walks there, Mother nature at it's rawest some times in the year.

AND! Human nature at it's worst ! You only have to see the litter, and human filth left behind at popular sites/spots.
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The purpose of these authorities is to manage these areas whilst allowing access and use by the public. They seem to be simply banning everything and discouraging the public from accessing the area they are supposed to manage on their behalf. A simple ban everything culture is usually a sign of lack of imagination and a closed group who wishes to manage it for a very small group of users. The Authority is very important but it will only be successful if it has the support of the people it seeks to serve otherwise it becomes irrelevant and ignored.
 
The remit of the national park is clearly laid down,
The primary purpose is to conserve and enhance Dartmoor National Park’s natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage
They are also required to promote opportunities for the public to understand and enjoy the special qualities of Dartmoor National Park.

The bylaws are drawn up with a view to allowing people to enjoy the moor, but having regard for the primary responsibility of conservation. If people treated the moor with more respect the bylaws wouldn't need to be so draconian

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