Crit Air Stickers - the french dont seem to be bothering

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  1. jongood

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    Im currently in Morocco, there are thousands of French Motorhomes here and hardly any of them are fitted with a Crit Air sticker. Some of them are newly registered to ZPad regions and still don't have them.

    I can just about get by in French and have found the opportunity to speak to some of them and it seems to me that they re not bothering yet - waiting to see if its enforced.

    I know they re easy enough to get and not expensive - my reservation is that by registering I am volunteering my details to their database that could easily bite me back on tolls and minor roads etc where most of us and them take a few liberties.

    Does anyone have any idea if and how it will be enforced? or is it breathalysers again?

    Jon
     
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    Take care if you visit Paris, rumour has it that British MHs not bearing stickers will be easy targets for the gj when they run out of national monuments.

    How is anything enforced in France? When the gendarmes vin fund needs a top up.
     
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    Their country their choice.

    We rant about "foreigners" ignoring our rules. Should we ignore the rules of any country we visit?
     
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    Ok but they re ignoring it as well!!

    Jon
     
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    @jonegood - your 3rd paragraph is the typical response of a criminal.
     
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    I don't have a crit'air sticker for our MH because I have no intention of driving it into Paris etc. Perhaps those French in Morocco have a similar reason?
     
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    True enough but the new zpads cover whole areas - Gironde, Niort, Poitiers, Nantes, La Roche sur yonne etc etc. all places I travel fairly regularly.
     
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    Current restrictions for our van are the centre of Paris only so I guess the French are arguing that they don't really want to be there so why bother as the chances of ZPA being invoked and enforced are pretty slim and if they are they will only be enforced on the Brits.

    Chances are if they did invoke a local ZPA or ZPAd it would not include motorways through the region otherwise it could be total chaos, much like the Brussels Zone which does not include the two motorways that actually cut through the zone on the East and West side.

    Martin
     
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    Oops - double post
     
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    Apart from Green-Zones GmbH, a commercial company which runs multiple websites in many countries (and an app) in order to drum up business for its overpriced vignettes, it's not easy to find much information about these ZPAd zones.

    I have found this site https://www.mma.fr/zeroblabla/vignette-crit-air-obligatoire-quelles-villes.html#.XGUt3S10duU which isn't part of the 'Green-Zones' stable as far as I can tell and offers a bit of an insight into the workings (or not) of the various ZCR, ZPA and ZPAd schemes. One of the things it says is that the borders of a ZPAd aren't clearly defined. How will that be operated?

    The measures applicable even in the mandatory areas vary from one to another, with some banning vehicles with the wrong or no sticker only after several days of pollution, so that's not simple and straightforward either. For example it says Grenoble bans vehicles with no sticker on/after the fifth day of pollution and those with Cat 4 & 5 on/after seven days, but the fine for non-compliance is 'only' 35€, whereas other places start sooner, with higher fines. There are also statements made about reduced speed limits at times of pollution. How would those be notified?

    I agree foreign vehicles could be a bit of an easy target if and when these other zones are enforced. I can also see why the locals aren't quite as worried about the situation as people who read the sites/app from Green Zones!

    I've bought a sticker anyway, though I completed the purchase before applying for a weight upgrade past 3.5t.
     
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    Clash of cultures
    If there are rules - we Brits abide by them and tacitly accept the cost of policing them
    The French accept there are rules but understand the importance of not wasting valuable & limited resources enforcing them.
     
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    Just get one, it’s only a few Euro’s. And you will never have to think about it again. Never mind about what some French people , do or don’t do. Paddle your own canou.
     
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    Littering, flying the Union flag (usually upside down), speeding past school exits are all illegal and antisocial. Rarely see litter in France, never seen the French flag upside down and if you speed near a school the consequences are severe. The list is endless.
     
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    Same with E40 through Essen and Duisburg, which is a dual carriageway but with crossroads and traffic lights, so not an Autobahn.
     
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    Messy to do if one is not at V5C address as they will only post it there.
     
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    Then by that opinion the French government are in the same boat.
    When the French government stop using data gained illegally from French companies running services for the UK government in the UK, to track down & attempt to fine people in the UK, for offences committed in France you can criminalise the op. Until then alls fair in love & war.
    If it is ok for a government to work flankers then it is a free for all for everyone.
     
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    No. Had mine posted out to Spain.
     
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    Took me bloody ages to work out how to shrink our V5 doc to enable us to e-mail it to the Crit Air office, in fact I was border line bald with frustration at the time, tears nearly!:mad::mad::mad:
    Now you tell me The French aint fussed about having it!:mad::mad::mad:
    Sacre Bleu:mad:
    Les
     
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  19. jongood

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    I said in the OP why I would rather not.
     
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    Ok Thanks. Presumably on a UK Reg vehicle.

    Directly by Crit 'Air or somebody at your V5C address?

    Geoff
     

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