Can’t get my head around these Schengen 90/180 rules. May be something to do with age!

[colyboy]

Have been trying to get my head around the Schengen 90/180 day rules but I give up. If there some one out there who could work out fo me if my next trip is legal!

From 11/01/22 and. 09/03/22. I spent 57 days in the Shengen area


Now planning a trip to France. From. 12/06/22. and. 20/07/22. I make it 38 days.

is this legal or not?

Thanking you in advance,

Colyboy

 

[bigtwin]

Did you spend anytime in the zone in December?

If not, you’re fine.

From the official calculator:

Ian

 

[brynric]

According to my putting those dates into a Schengen calculator, you have 4 days left.
However I can’t explain why!

 

[bigtwin]

Ignore my December comment, it makes no difference:

Ian

 

[TONCAZ]

Looking at your dates you are well in, you have a more than 90 day gap between your end and start dates, its 90 days on 90 days off, that's how I get my head round it, or 90 days in any 180 period.

Hope this helps

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[Swifter]

90 days in ,90 days out , you do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around

 

[bigtwin]

Looking at your dates you are well in, you have a more than 90 day gap between your end and start dates, its 90 days on 90 days off, that's how I get my head round it, or 90 days in any 180 period.

Hope this helps

Not sure that that’s particularly relevant to understanding if your future plans are permissible.

As illustrated by:

He has a small margin of 4 days before it’d not have been legitimate.

Ian

 

[Spriddler]

Yes, probably something to do with age as you already asked that a few days ago...........

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[bigtwin]

Yes, probably something to do with age as you already asked that a few days ago...........

Schengen how many days?

How many days left? Just can’t get our heads around this system. We were in Spain from Friday the 12 January 2022 , we left Spain on the 9th March 2022. We intend visiting France leaving the UK on the 15th 2022 and leaving France on 20th July 2022 How many days have we left? When can we...

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I thought I’d seen a previous query (possibly even replied to it - it’s an age thing)!

Ian

Edit: I did!

 

[Spriddler]

I thought I’d seen a previous query (possibly even replied to it - it’s an age thing)!

Ian

Edit: I did!

Yep, so did I, with a link to the Schengen Calculator.

I may be wrong but ISTR that it might now be the third time he's asked the same question.

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[colyboy]

Thanks everybody for your help. A range of different answers , I am 35% ! That I will be ok.

Colyboy

 

[EuroTrotters]

Did you spend anytime in the zone in December?

If not, you’re fine.

From the official calculator:

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Ian

You best not look at mine

 

[Southdowners]

Thanks everybody for your help. A range of different answers , I am 35% ! That I will be ok.

Colyboy

Rather than relying on answers on the forum why not use the Schengen calculator then you’d be 100% sure.

 

[bigtwin]

Thanks everybody for your help. A range of different answers , I am 35% ! That I will be ok.

Colyboy

Why so low a %? You have the answers from the official Schengen calculator.

Ian

 

[PebblesJnr]

The simple way to work this out is to get a calender and count back 180 days. then count how many days within this 180 days that you were in the shengen zones. subtract this number from your 90 days allowed and the result is the number of days you have left. Obviously your 180 day start date moves 1 day forward everyday increasing your allowance if you are out of the zone and reducing it if you are in the zone

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[Jim]

It's a dumb system for sure. A max of 180 days in any calendar year would have been so easy and they wouldn't have to produce calculators.

 

[buttons]

While Coleboy has your attention on days away. I also have a question.
If I purchase a second home in Spain, are there restrictions on using it and are there any ways around any limitations. Thanks.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Not sure that that’s particularly relevant to understanding if your future plans are permissible.

As illustrated by:
View attachment 618897

He has a small margin of 4 days before it’d not have been legitimate.

Ian

Thanks everybody for your help. A range of different answers , I am 35% ! That I will be ok.

Colyboy

I think the example above is incorrect as it is using 9 april as your return date and not 9 March

 

[gus-lopez]

Not sure that that’s particularly relevant to understanding if your future plans are permissible.

It is as if you were in for 90 days & have been out for 90 days you can't possibly be illegal.In fact if you have been out for 90 consecutive days it doesn't even matter what went on before.

If I purchase a second home in Spain, are there restrictions on using it

Yes the same as this, 90 in 180. Unless you spend 500k & apply for residencia as a rich ***tar*d. Although I have an idea it might be suspended at the mo due to the russians?

and are there any ways around any limitations. Thanks.

only money.

 

[buttons]

It is as if you were in for 90 days & have been out for 90 days you can't possibly be illegal.In fact if you have been out for 90 consecutive days it doesn't even matter what went on before.

Yes the same as this, 90 in 180. Unless you spend 500k & apply for residencia as a rich ***tar*d. Although I have an idea it might be suspended at the mo due to the russians?

only money.

Thank you gus this must be effecting the spanish property market big time. Does this190 day limit also affect those that already have a holiday residence in Spain?

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[TDub49]

Have been trying to get my head around the Schengen 90/180 day rules but I give up. If there some one out there who could work out fo me if my next trip is legal!

From 11/01/22 and. 09/03/22. I spent 57 days in the Shengen area


Now planning a trip to France. From. 12/06/22. and. 20/07/22. I make it 38 days.

is this legal or not?

Thanking you in advance,

Colyboy

Just count back 180 days from (and including) 20th July and total up the days you were in the area or plan to be there. Looking at your dates I make it that 22 January is 180 days back from 20 July (could be wrong so double check). Add up time in Schengen in that period (22nd Jan to 20th July) and Bob's your holiday uncle - I make it 86 days in total in the last 180 (either taken or planned).

 

[bigtwin]

think the example above is incorrect as it is using 9 april as your return date and not 9 March

No, it was posted to illustrate that TONCAZ ’s criterion isn’t a basis for drawing a conclusion. I left the first and last dates the same (the basis on which TONCAZ indicated you could judge) and adjusted one of the middle dates to illustrate the fallacy of that method.

It is as if you were in for 90 days & have been out for 90 days you can't possibly be illegal.In fact if you have been out for 90 consecutive days it doesn't even matter what went on before.

Indeed it is, BUT only if that were one’s pattern. That is one specific scenario and is neither the case here, nor is it likely to match most folks travel habits.

Ian

 

[gus-lopez]

Thank you gus this must be effecting the spanish property market big time. Does this190 day limit also affect those that already have a holiday residence in Spain?

yes. Many sold up before, or have done so since, if they want more than 180 per year.

 

[nicholsong]

yes. Many sold up before, or have done so since, if they want more than 180 per year.

Might encourage those with holiday properties to buy a MH: they could then spend 180(2 X 90days) days in Spain in the property and 90 days in Morocco(or Croatia/Cyprus - or even UK/ROI) in the MH.

I consider that they would not meet the requirement to apply for 'Residencia', therefore would not be liable for Spanish tax.

 

[jumartoo]

Thank you gus this must be effecting the spanish property market big time. Does this190 day limit also affect those that already have a holiday residence in Spain?

Not affecting the property market too much. Brits selling are selling to none third country citizens, generally (EU members or those in Schengen) or other Brits who only want a holiday home for less than 180 days in a year.

If someone sells, someone else buys

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[Badknee]

We’re making it easy on ourselves. 87 days in 93 out.

 

[The Wino]

It's a dumb system for sure. A max of 180 days in any calendar year would have been so easy and they wouldn't have to produce calculators.

That wouldn't have made much sense either as if you split a trip across two calendar years you could have been there for almost a year. If the 90 in 180 applied to other people from outside the EU before we left why should they make it any different for us?

 

[Jim]

If the 90 in 180 applied to other people from outside the EU before we left why should they make it any different for us?

Who's saying it should be different for us? I'm just saying it could have been made easier.

 

[The Wino]

Any EU citizen can come to the UK for six months without a visa, Boris didn't get an agreement for us to do the same so we are now classed as third country citizens hence the 90 in 180 (Kno?head)....

I don't think it's likely to be increased any time soon given the NI trade situation. As you say it's what we signed up to.

 

[steve69]

It's a dumb system for sure. A max of 180 days in any calendar year would have been so easy and they wouldn't have to produce calculators.

I don't know if it's true or not but I have heard that Schengen is up for renegotiation within the EU this year. I have heard that some countries want it to be changed to 180 days in any year in future.

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