Adblue 10L for £14 at Halfords

[Theonlysue]

Noticed this today, it's a good price if you need any

 

[EX51SSS]

Just a question regarding this. Are you able to fill up at a garage? It's a lot cheaper than individual container. If not, when you've emptied a 10 litre, wouldn't it be worth refilling at a garage. Bit like gas per se but you'll have a very suitable container. We used to refill ad blue rather than buy 10 litre container and anywhere that accommodates wagons fuelling will have ad blue.
In saying that, I don't look at the price but think it's less than 80 a litre thus making it sub £8.00. I'll try and pass and check.

 

[colyboy]

I have heard a lot about ADBLUE what do you use for and why?

colyboy

 

[Chipster]

It's used to get the nox down and mixed with exhaust gases. More relevant now euro 6 is in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I have heard a lot about ADBLUE what do you use for and why?

colyboy

Euro 6 diesels need to use Selective Catalytic Reduction which means that AdBlu has to be used to reduce the exhaust emissions to an acceptable (Euro 6) level

 

[EX51SSS]

I have heard a lot about ADBLUE what do you use for and why?

colyboy

Only for diesel engines fitted to take adblue. Don't even think about putting it in any vehicle except those designed to take it.
For the little extra pull it gives, our company now switches off the adblue as it doesn't offset the cost. Apparently (not my decision and I don't know) it doesn't harm to run without adblue albeit designed to use it.

 

[jessthedog]

The New Euro 6 Fiat Ducato engines don't run with adblue.
Mercedes, Ford, Peugeot do use it though.

 

[laird of Dunstan]

ive got an new VW caddy and it takes adblue

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[gerry mcg]

Euro 6 diesels need to use Selective Catalytic Reduction which means that AdBlu has to be used to reduce the exhaust emissions to an acceptable (Euro 6) level

not quite the new euro6 fiat ducato achieves emissions targets WITHOUT adblue by using cats & DPF however AFAIK, the euro6 citroen Jumper & Renault ????? need adblue to reach the Euro6 emissions

 

[gerry mcg]

The New Euro 6 Fiat Ducato engines don't run with adblue.
Mercedes, Ford, Peugeot do use it though.

ah... beaten to it!

 

[DuxDeluxe]

not quite the new euro6 fiat ducato achieves emissions targets WITHOUT adblue by using cats & DPF however AFAIK, the euro6 citroen Jumper & Renault ????? need adblue to reach the Euro6 emissions

Ducato, yes........nearly all others - no. I was talking in general terms not specifically Ducato as there was no specific mention of any particular vehicle.

 

[gerry mcg]

Ducato, yes........nearly all others - no. I was talking in general terms not specifically Ducato as there was no specific mention of any particular vehicle.

Adblue is a urea solution and has become more prevalent for diesels due to the introduction of Euro6 regs.
As this is a MH forum and as the fiat Ducati forms the basis for the majority of MH base vehicles, then in general terms the majority of Euro6 MH will not require Adblue.
That is why I specified the various marques.
My BMW 335xd also achieves Euro6 without Adblue so some (not sure of the proportion) car manufacturer can meet Euro6 without using Adblue as well
If / when emissions regs tighten to Euro6+/7 then it is likely all diesels will need it.
The big drawback is you can't (shouldn't be able to) bye it and if you run out your engine won't restart until it is replenished.

 

[EX51SSS]

The big drawback is you can't (shouldn't be able to) bye it and if you run out your engine won't restart until it is replenished.

This may be so on MoHo engines but certainly not the case with HGV as we run without.

 

[gerry mcg]

This may be so on MoHo engines but certainly not the case with HGV as we run without.

aye... i was interested to read that in your earlier post. i didn't know about that for HGV.
i'm certain that you can't bypass it in cars. the engine won't cut out if you run out, but it won't restart.

 

[gus-lopez]

You can bypass anything if you want to.
I find it difficult to believe that people actually believe anything about emissions that manufacturers tell them.

 

[EX51SSS]

aye... i was interested to read that in your earlier post. i didn't know about that for HGV.
i'm certain that you can't bypass it in cars. the engine won't cut out if you run out, but it won't restart.

Yes (bear in mind I know nothing about engines but the boss does), the fuse is removed so it doesn't get any. There is no noticeable reduction in power or performance and I pull up to 44 tonnes regularly. I wouldn't try it on an engine I owned without taking specialist advice (as my boss)

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[Theonlysue]

I wouldn't want to decant it, as I thought it should go straight from container to engine as short shelf life.
I don't know if it's just another gimmick, but I know an aa man who gets called out due to adblue running out lol

 

[EX51SSS]

I wouldn't want to decant it, as I thought it should go straight from container to engine as short shelf life.
I don't know if it's just another gimmick, but I know an aa man who gets called out due to adblue running out

So can you always guarantee to use the full 10 litre at one go.
Not considering carrying spare for a short trio.
Do garage nozzles fit as regards adblue because you'd only ever need garages rather than an unwieldy container?

 

[Theonlysue]

My tank holds 18 litres. Warning when down to a quarter, so can fit whole 10 litres which I can just about lift lol

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Adblue is a urea solution and has become more prevalent for diesels due to the introduction of Euro6 regs.
As this is a MH forum and as the fiat Ducati forms the basis for the majority of MH base vehicles, then in general terms the majority of Euro6 MH will not require Adblue.
That is why I specified the various marques.
My BMW 335xd also achieves Euro6 without Adblue so some (not sure of the proportion) car manufacturer can meet Euro6 without using Adblue as well
If / when emissions regs tighten to Euro6+/7 then it is likely all diesels will need it.
The big drawback is you can't (shouldn't be able to) bye it and if you run out your engine won't restart until it is replenished.

Thanks for the clarification - as fuels used to be my job I do know about it. Noted that @Theonlysue has a Mercedes not a Fiat, and their Euro 6 engines definitely use adblue

 

[Geo]

Yes (bear in mind I know nothing about engines but the boss does), the fuse is removed so it doesn't get any. There is no noticeable reduction in power or performance and I pull up to 44 tonnes regularly. I wouldn't try it on an engine I owned without taking specialist advice (as my boss)

you can buy an awfull lot of add blue with the fines imposed for driving in breach of Euro 6 requirments
he may have knowledge but he dont have brains

 

[andy63]

I've read a bit on diesel exhaust fluids of which add blue is a trade name I believe... but don't have to use it...
It does appear some that some manufacturers can still meet the latest emission standad's using just egr technology while others are going down the diesel exhaust fluid route...
And some both.....
Is this likely to end up with the egr system fitted to so many vehicles no longer been required..
Another thing as an aside that I can't quite get my head round is they say a catalytic converter can be damaged by internal fires due to excess fuel in the exhaust...yet I'm reading they are now combining cats and dpf into one unit...(talking diesels ) and I thought that dpf''s regenerate by burning off using excess fuel... so there is a contradiction there I don't or haven't got yet..
Anyone explain??
Andy..

 

[Geo]

In simple terms we are in the VHS v BETAMAX period of emissions control
the CAT/ DPF units use different technology eg chemical coatings they are in effect totally different to both current DPFs and Cats
Adblue is a trade name of "GREENOX" the main chemical is distilled water and urea (Found in Urine) not made of it
Some systems will prevent engines starting and or running, some will simply restrict throttle use to keep you within limits this applies across the board cars vans hgv
eventually a system will be developed that is difficult to beat and easily detectable when it is
The powers that be, will eventually settle on a standard system or two/three/four
G
PS it is an offence to use Euro 6 vehicles with disabled systems


Defeat devices are also forbidden in the European Union, and the use of a defeat device is subject to a penalty.[3][4]

The term originates from the US Clean Air Act,[5] and refers to anything that prevents an emissions control system from working.[6] The EPA has taken numerous enforcement actions against companies that have deliberately, or through error or negligence, allowed defeat devices to interfere with pollution controls at power plants, in motor vehicles, and elsewhere. Aftermarket car parts and accessories, such as exhaust or fuel system modification components, which affect emissions, are considered defeat devices

 

[EX51SSS]

you can buy an awfull lot of add blue with the fines imposed for driving in breach of Euro 6 requirments
he may have knowledge but he dont have brains

Not my problem.

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[DuxDeluxe]

In simple terms we are in the VHS v BETAMAX period of emissions control
the CAT/ DPF units use different technology eg chemical coatings they are in effect totally different to both current DPFs and Cats
Adblue is a trade name of "GREENOX" the main chemical is distilled water and urea (Found in Urine) not made of it
Some systems will prevent engines starting and or running, some will simply restrict throttle use to keep you within limits this applies across the board cars vans hgv
eventually a system will be developed that is difficult to beat and easily detectable when it is
The powers that be, will eventually settle on a standard system or two/three/four
G

On a bigger scale marine vessels are going through the same process but with 50,000HP engines.... some are going down the scrubber route, others are using SCR (Some Stena ferries use this - can you imagine the size of the AdBlue delivery for that?) and yet others are using alternative fuels such as LNG (Ferries in Norway and one just being delivered to Canada BC ferries for instance). Each presents their own issues and set of problems, not least that it is actually difficult to measure exhaust emissions with a 3 foot wide exhaust pipe!! I gave a paper at a conference a couple of years ago about this subject and at that time it was considered to be too difficult/expensive to retrofit scrubbers, SCR was largely untried on large scales and LNG presented huge logistical issues. fast forward and it seems the way to go is the LNG route, but only for liner/ferry trades. Most ship engine certification is by type approval as well. Not dissimilar.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

The big two issues with LNG on ships are the energy density meaning that very large tanks are needed for the fuel when compared with fuel oil and also the current lack of bunkering facilities for LNG, though this is changing. Interesting subject, if you like ships that is.......

 

[Bart]

Phew im glad my MH is before this , as it sounds like a load of crap and an extra running cost expense

 

[EX51SSS]

Phew im glad my MH is before this , as it sounds like a load of crap and an extra running cost expense

I totally agree.

 

[Theonlysue]

The cost is negligible at £14 for 3500 miles, it's just more to remember lol

 

[EX51SSS]

The cost is negligible at £14 for 3500 miles, it's just more to remember

Well fair comment but depends on how many MPG. Suppose it's like putting additive in every few tankfuls