6.5 noton im converting to a class 4 mot or is this not possible

[wozzablu@gmai]

Hi im a new member off out to work. I'll do a profile soon as I can. I have a question if anyone could help I would be most grateful. Can I change a Hgv 6.5 ton im converting to a class 4 mot or is this not possible? Kind regards

 

[jezport]

If its not used for the carriage of goods you can do. Not sure how you do it.

 

[wozzablu@gmai]

Cheers Jezpot it would make life easier if it can be done. I'm sure someone will know it must of been done before mabe on this forum

 

[Speve]

Give www.svtech.co.uk a shout they should be able to tell you and don’t charge for advice

 

[bobandjanie]

Hi, you would have to do the conversion and get it registered as a motorhome, I don't know if it's still the same, but our daughter converted a minibus and she insured it through Adria Flux while she converted it, its probably the same with your truck as long as it's not carrying goods you should be OK. Bob

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[gus-lopez]

 

[jezport]

You may just be able to get it re-motd as non commercial. You may want to remove the tachograph and if its got a speed limiter it could be programmed out. The speedo may not work if the tacho is not programmed out on the ecu.

 

[glenn2926]

Can someone tell me what a noton is please?

 

[SuperMike]

No idea, but our 10.5t Winnebago is class 4.

 

[andy63]

Hi im a new member off out to work. I'll do a profile soon as I can. I have a question if anyone could help I would be most grateful. Can I change a Hgv 6.5 ton im converting to a class 4 mot or is this not possible? Kind regards

Hi. Welcome..
Have a read of this link below if it works..

Basically if you get your truck re registered as a motorhome it will be mot under class 4..
When I converted a class 7 mot van the mot test station tested it as a class 4 before it was re registered anyway...
When I asked about it I was told that the inspector could see that the vehicle was obviously not been used as a goods vehicle any longer and tested it accordingly..
I actually used that as a lever when I did eventually apply to have it re registered on the v5...

MOTs for motorhomes

Answers to many frequently asked questions about motorhomes and their use.

www.ukmotorhomes.net

Andy

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[bobandjanie]

Can someone tell me what a noton is please?

His is an Iveco probably a daily and 6.5 tonne , my guess is something like a old prison truck, not that I know much about prisons.

I tried Google and even did it backwards. Bob.

 

[Lenny HB]

Off topic slightly but do a lot of people who carry goods in their Motorhome realise that it then requires a Type 7 MOT if under 3500kg, and if over 3500kg it requires an annual goods vehicle inspection from year 1.

 

[emjaiuk]

Off topic slightly but do a lot of people who carry goods in their Motorhome realise that it then requires a Type 7 MOT if under 3500kg, and if over 3500kg it requires an annual goods vehicle inspection from year 1.

Isn't the question 'what constitutes goods'? i've noticed occasionally at fetes and fairs lorries marked 'Not for hire and reward' or something similar. One was an artic fitted out as a kids soft play.

 

[Lenny HB]

Isn't the question 'what constitutes goods'? i've noticed occasionally at fetes and fairs lorries marked 'Not for hire and reward' or something similar. One was an artic fitted out as a kids soft play.

Goods would be items you carry for the purpose of selling as a trader.

 

[cmcardle75]

Hi im a new member off out to work. I'll do a profile soon as I can. I have a question if anyone could help I would be most grateful. Can I change a Hgv 6.5 ton im converting to a class 4 mot or is this not possible? Kind regards

There is no paperwork involved. Provided it is permanently converted to be habitable with the required fittings (i.e. bed, seats, table, storage, cooking appliance etc), you just take it along for an MOT and ask for a Class 4. MOT classes are based on the "vehicle as presented", not on anything written down on a V5C. Make sure you don't come under the definition of "living van". A 6.5 tonne van might be considered likely to be used for motorsport or suchlike and might not count as a motor caravan if it has a large garage clearly intended for a racing car under the bed.

Your main problem will be finding an MOT station willing to do it. They largely don't have lifts strong enough for a 6.5 tonne vehicle. Commercial vehicles stations with the large lifts often won't do Class 4.

You'll find one out there willing, but it will require research.

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[jongood]

Off topic slightly but do a lot of people who carry goods in their Motorhome realise that it then requires a Type 7 MOT if under 3500kg, and if over 3500kg it requires an annual goods vehicle inspection from year 1.

Mine always carries goods - usually just two of us but occasionally more

 

[Lenny HB]

Your main problem will be finding an MOT station willing to do it. They largely don't have lifts strong enough for a 6.5 tonne vehicle. Commercial vehicles stations with the large lifts often won't do Class 4.

Just need to find an MOT station that uses a pit & enough headroom.

Our local commercial garage where I have mine serviced, can't do MOT's over 3500kg as they only have a licence for the ramp not their pit as the HGV's have to go to a government testing centre. They recommended a couple of places to me.

 

[Lenny HB]

Mine always carries goods - usually just two of us but occasionally more

Is she up for sale then?

 

[andy63]

Goods would be items you carry for the purpose of selling as a trader.

That is not the interpretation put on the term goods by the dvla when asked..nor vosa by the sounds of it..but vosa are happy to take the owners word that no goods are carried in the vehicle ..and will therefore test as a motorhome at class 4..
Andy

 

[Lenny HB]

That is not the interpretation put on the term goods by the dvla when asked..nor vosa by the sounds of it..but vosa are happy to take the owners word that no goods are carried in the vehicle ..and will therefore test as a motorhome at class 4..
Andy

Probably more of an insurance concern than MOT if you are carrying goods most Motorhome policies are for private use only.

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[andy63]

Probably more of an insurance concern than MOT if you are carrying goods most Motorhome policies are for private use only.

No idea Lenny...but the term goods covers anything you carry not used or essential daily living and has nothing to do with trade or gain.. that strictly speaking includes a lot of items that motorhomers carry around..
The article I linked to which isn't new by any means suggests that to change the law would require a lot of time and effort and as the strict letter of the law isn't been enforced by the authorities nothing is likely to change any time soon..
Andy.

 

[Otter Spotter]

Off topic slightly but do a lot of people who carry goods in their Motorhome realise that it then requires a Type 7 MOT if under 3500kg, and if over 3500kg it requires an annual goods vehicle inspection from year 1.

Doesn’t it depend on the definition of goods ? If it’s for commercial gain then definitely, but if you carrying your own stuff then no.

 

[Lenny HB]

Doesn’t it depend on the definition of goods ? If it’s for commercial gain then definitely, but if you carrying your own stuff then no.

In my other post I did say good for sale as a trader.

 

[wozzablu@gmai]

Thanks for replying I will digest info

 

[andy63]

Doesn’t it depend on the definition of goods ? If it’s for commercial gain then definitely, but if you carrying your own stuff then no.

Read the link i posted above ..its not that long....for a definition of goods as the powers that be see it..
As I said to lenny..trade or gain appears to have no bearing on the definition
Andy

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[Otter Spotter]

In my other post I did say good for sale as a trader.

My bad for not reading the whole thread and nothing but the thread

 

[Geo]

The Dvla definition is quite simple.
Will removal of the alledged goods stop you using the vehicle as a motor home.
If the answer is no then they are goods.
They go on by saying if you take your motor bike out can you still use the motor home answer yes, motor cycle is "Goods" same with a pedal cycle
A very over simplistic answer as many have suggested.
Applying the letter of the law simply wont work, a cycle rack means you MoHo has been adapted to carry goods and so it goes on.
As tester you tell me what it is and ill test it as such within the rules.
Beware if you tell me your 6 ton tagg is a motor cycle it had better fall over when you get out of it.

 

[andy63]

As tester you tell me what it is and ill test it as such within the rules.

Hi geo.. question... how does that sit with my experience of having a converted van tested as a class 4 when it wasn't registered as a motor caravan and a normal mot would have been class 7..
As I mentioned above when I asked the tester told me he tests whats in front of him and it was clearly a motor home..and no longer in use as a van
My understanding of the goods aspect is it is accepted the tester is not necessarily in a position to know what you carry at the time the vehicle is presented for test and is happy to proceed on the basis of you telling him you don't carry goods..as defined..
Andy
Andy..

 

[tonyidle]

Mine always carries goods - usually just two of us but occasionally more

Mine's standing idle. But then I'm continually in that state .

 

[Geo]

Hi geo.. question... how does that sit with my experience of having a converted van tested as a class 4 when it wasn't registered as a motor caravan and a normal mot would have been class 7..
As I mentioned above when I asked the tester told me he tests whats in front of him and it was clearly a motor home..and no longer in use as a van
My understanding of the goods aspect is it is accepted the tester is not necessarily in a position to know what you carry at the time the vehicle is presented for test and is happy to proceed on the basis of you telling him you don't carry goods..as defined..
Andy
Andy..

Your experience is about as good as it gets.
Tester applied rules as he see them as would I
Using DVLA interpretations even taking away your spare and jack would still leave able to use your MoHo the rules are so unclear even DVLA cant answer any questions with certainty, and plod cant get a definitive answer that would stand up in court I think its filled under A for A frames and general cock ups.