10 Year LPG bottle/tank information

CazPaul said:
I’m sure it would take much design to sort something out, better constructed tank, accessible valves etc etc,
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I’m not 100% certain and may be well of the mark but I believe that the tanks themselves are made in Poland but are sold without any valves in place so just wondering who puts in the valves and who therefore does the testing on them in the first place.
 
Mikeco said:
I’m not 100% certain and may be well of the mark but I believe that the tanks themselves are made in Poland but are sold without any valves in place so just wondering who puts in the valves and who therefore does the testing on them in the first place.
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I believe that putting valves in an unused bottle is a lot less difficult and hazardous than replacing them in a used one. Also transporting used bottles is considered a specialist task and is expensive. Possibly why you have to drive to Germany to get it done and why no one does it over here anymore.
 
I had a new tank fitted, £850, due to the 8 year old one having a pin prick leak from the welding at the end of the tank. There was no sign of any rust. The regulator packed up in France at 2 months old, back to Propex and they fitted a new regulator FOC. Then when in France again last September the 2nd regulator failed. This as with the original caused a lot of problems, as we mainly use Aires with no EHU, then had to book onto a site for cooking and hot water etc. Back to Propex and a new regulator fitted at cost, was also advised to carry a spare which I have.

Sitting at home thinking about it, my wife said, get rid of the new tank and setup as we don't want the risk again of it spoiling our holidays. So back to Propex and I asked then to fit a new tank + inlet hose, About £250. Money well spent, although I was surprised to have such failures.

Only solution was, maybe got contaminated LPG in France, or as I always top up when passing a LPG pump, maybe that caused the failures. I don't overfill by keep pumping to get the last bit in, like some do when using petrol/diesel pump.

Hoping for better luck in France and elsewhere from now on.

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Just smiffy said:
When you see the gas bottles they use out here in Morocco you wouldn’t worry about your ten year old one that’s been sitting in your locker…😆🤪😉
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You might not be keen to use them if you look at this.

 
As a landlord I have to have up to date annual gas certificates for every property.

When VanBitz fitted my GasLow system back in 2020 they of course gave me a gas certificate, exactly the same as I get, every year, for the properties.

If I was buying a motorhome with a underslung gas tank, I would insist on a gas certificate.
No gas engineer will issue a valid gas certificate for a tank more than 10 years old.

Therefore no sale, or a sale with a big reduction in price as the tank will need to be replaced.
 
Barriesimpson said:
That's 6 bottles of wine, most of us are running tight as we speak, so every little helps 😀
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We re not, we have a properly constructed motorhome 8.5t and what looks to be a properly fitted substantial tank. Yet its being suggested that we are to constrained by the same rules as somebody that has fitted their own tank from ebay.
Mikeco said:
I’m not 100% certain and may be well of the mark but I believe that the tanks themselves are made in Poland but are sold without any valves in place so just wondering who puts in the valves and who therefore does the testing on them in the first place.
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And they are made in poland because they are the best welders? I bet plenty are also made in China, the well known purveyor of quality construction!
 
jongood said:
We re not, we have a properly constructed motorhome 8.5t and what looks to be a properly fitted substantial tank. Yet its being suggested that we are to constrained by the same rules as somebody that has fitted their own tank from ebay.

And they are made in poland because they are the best welders? I bet plenty are also made in China, the well known purveyor of quality construction!
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GZWM are mentioned on the Autogas 2000 website but it’s not clear who puts the valves in, I’m just wondering where it’s done and who tests the tanks in the first place.

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Barriesimpson said:
At the end of the day, we get back to the same old reason. Money. Programmed obsolescence. Get your wallet out.
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I disagree. Risk assessments versus common or garden corrosion, erosion and other degradation mechanisms.

Of course you could avoid these by moving from carbon steel to higher quality, high Cr & Mo steels like 304 or 316 stainless, etc etc or while you're about it why not just use titanium? That'll last far longer than your van and no obsolescence in your, or my lifetimes. I do agree with you though . . . get your wallet out!
 
BOWHOUSE52 said:
Can I ask the question again please are there any motorhomes use the Gas tank lightwait cylinders
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Do you mean with a filler fixed to the van?

I'm sure that's what Barriesimpson had fitted in Spain.

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Oldwindsurfer said:
I had a new tank fitted, £850, due to the 8 year old one having a pin prick leak from the welding at the end of the tank. There was no sign of any rust. The regulator packed up in France at 2 months old, back to Propex and they fitted a new regulator FOC. Then when in France again last September the 2nd regulator failed. This as with the original caused a lot of problems, as we mainly use Aires with no EHU, then had to book onto a site for cooking and hot water etc. Back to Propex and a new regulator fitted at cost, was also advised to carry a spare which I have.

Sitting at home thinking about it, my wife said, get rid of the new tank and setup as we don't want the risk again of it spoiling our holidays. So back to Propex and I asked then to fit a new tank + inlet hose, About £250. Money well spent, although I was surprised to have such failures.

Only solution was, maybe got contaminated LPG in France, or as I always top up when passing a LPG pump, maybe that caused the failures. I don't overfill by keep pumping to get the last bit in, like some do when using petrol/diesel pump.

Hoping for better luck in France and elsewhere from now on.
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That many failed regulators would suggest liquid state LPG has been getting to the regulator , either through overfilling or possibly a tank fault or the regulator hose (pigtail) being too long causing reliquefaction.
 
Just smiffy said:
Same results Lenny for any country…

Gas bottle explosions in england…
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Did a UK search nearly all the UK ones were bottles exploding were in bin lorries without injuries, in Morocco loads of people have been killed & injured due to explosions while in use.
 
CazPaul said:
No, another 7-15 kg won’t make much difference in my opinion for quality
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Lenny HB said:
Did a UK search nearly all the UK ones were bottles exploding were in bin lorries without injuries, in Morocco loads of people have been killed & injured due to explosions while in use.
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So that’s all right then…
 
Lenny HB said:
Did a UK search nearly all the UK ones were bottles exploding were in bin lorries without injuries, in Morocco loads of people have been killed & injured due to explosions while in use.
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I have never understood how seemingly intelligent people can seriously believe that because something is common practice then it must be ok ⚠️
As you say Morocco has an appalling record for gas cylinder safety.
We have seen some of the complete bodge ups carried out in Morocco to people’s gas installations ⚠️
I don’t think some people appreciate the work that has gone into making gas safe to use , it wasn’t that many decades ago that students etc would die in bedsits and rented properties that had gas water heaters in bathrooms, just like caravans and static park homes .
Today’s boilers won’t even think about lighting until it’s done a multitude of checks .
 
This might interest some of you , it shows how seriously the big players are about safety, that process is carried out at every exchange.

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Basildog said:
That many failed regulators would suggest liquid state LPG has been getting to the regulator , either through overfilling or possibly a tank fault or the regulator hose (pigtail) being too long causing reliquefaction.
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Are cylinder-top regulators, screwed directly onto the cylinder less prone to faults, or are bulkhead regulators better?
 
Lenny HB said:
Did a UK search nearly all the UK ones were bottles exploding were in bin lorries without injuries, in Morocco loads of people have been killed & injured due to explosions while in use.
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Of course Lenny but the use of gas cylinders is around 95% of the population in Morocco whereas the uk..?? And there not educated to our standard..
 
Basildog said:
I have never understood how seemingly intelligent people can seriously believe that because something is common practice then it must be ok ⚠️
As you say Morocco has an appalling record for gas cylinder safety.
We have seen some of the complete bodge ups carried out in Morocco to people’s gas installations ⚠️
I don’t think some people appreciate the work that has gone into making gas safe to use , it wasn’t that many decades ago that students etc would die in bedsits and rented properties that had gas water heaters in bathrooms, just like caravans and static park homes .
Today’s boilers won’t even think about lighting until it’s done a multitude of checks .
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I’m not saying that it’s ok in Morocco but I do think the health and safety brigade in the uk is over the top… they don’t even have the same high standards in Europe or anywhere else probably… most of these rules and regulations are just a money exercise…🤔
 
Lenny HB said:
Perhaps we should go the directions of the Germans where a gas safety check every two years is mandatory.
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It's not rocket science, the Gas Tüv is every 2 years as is the vehicle Tüv, I have them synced to the same time, an extra 40€ for the check and good to go...the book stamped, sticker applied.
 
nicholsong said:
Are cylinder-top regulators, screwed directly onto the cylinder less prone to faults, or are bulkhead regulators better?
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We don’t see many Leisure vehicle specific bottle mounted regulators in the Uk , it tends to be on Continental vans they are fitted.
But as both types are made by the same manufacturers ,I can’t imagine there is much difference.
Just make sure it’s a Leisure vehicle specific regulator at the correct 30mbar (post 2003) and incorporates over pressure protection, don’t be tempted to use cheap single stage outdoor use only bottle mounted ones.

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Just smiffy said:
I’m not saying that it’s ok in Morocco but I do think the health and safety brigade in the uk is over the top… they don’t even have the same high standards in Europe or anywhere else probably… most of these rules and regulations are just a money exercise…🤔
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German gas regs are far stricter than ours.
 
Basildog said:
We don’t see many Leisure vehicle specific bottle mounted regulators in the Uk , it tends to be on Continental vans they are fitted.
But as both types are made by the same manufacturers ,I can’t imagine there is much difference.
Just make sure it’s a Leisure vehicle specific regulator at the correct 30mbar (post 2003) and incorporates over pressure protection, don’t be tempted to use cheap single stage outdoor use only bottle mounted ones.
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Thanks Basildog. My current cyliinder-mounted regulator (37Mb) is fitted to my N&B 2003. It needs replacing and I would prefer to keep to bottle-mounted for easy change-over to any other cylinder with 21.8mm LH. I have Gaslow and usually fill with LPG on Continent, incl. Poland, but since this can be propane/butane mix I presume a 30Mb regulator will suit.

This should also avoid problems with U-bend and re-liquidisation.
 
Just smiffy said:
I’m not saying that it’s ok in Morocco but I do think the health and safety brigade in the uk is over the top… they don’t even have the same high standards in Europe or anywhere else probably… most of these rules and regulations are just a money exercise…🤔
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Bang on there you only have to read post 101 to see that and what gas-it recommended, yes regulations change BUT the design of tanks should also be changed/amended to make things safer in addition, a combined effort, instead of just a blanket” Change you tank every 10 years regardless of condition as we’re still churning out 10 pence mass produced cheap tanks” instead of altering the design to make them safer.

A combined effort is required. What’s the change since gas-it recently said “ If you protect your tank with spray it will last 20 years just like our tanks in use do” So the producer/retailer was having tanks in use 20 years only recently but now that’s changed to a blanket 10. Has there been a lot more explosions than there used to be. Cars explode and set on fire but you wouldn’t say” Change your car every 10 years no leeway that’s the new rule/law”

I notice no reply from those in the know to post 101

Has the design of tanks been improved just like domestic oil tanks, to meet improved safety and regulations? Have those that have sat down to put this information out also thought” Right can we improve the design of the tanks in anyway”?
 
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Basildog said:
This might interest some of you , it shows how seriously the big players are about safety, that process is carried out at every exchange.
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I have a 1500 litre tank in the garden and I often wonder if the owner of the tank and therefore supplier of gas is playing by the rules. It’s now 25 years old and has only ever been looked at by the delivery driver, it has certainly never been tested in any way. I did receive notification that it’s due to be changed this year though.
 
nicholsong said:
Thanks Basildog. My current cyliinder-mounted regulator (37Mb) is fitted to my N&B 2003. It needs replacing and I would prefer to keep to bottle-mounted for easy change-over to any other cylinder with 21.8mm LH. I have Gaslow and usually fill with LPG on Continent, incl. Poland, but since this can be propane/butane mix I presume a 30Mb regulator will suit.

This should also avoid problems with U-bend and re-liquidisation.
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It will probably have a sticker in your locker giving you the gas pressure.
At that date it could be just before they changed to 30 mbar .
Maybe take a picture of your installation and regulator.

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