Peugeot Cambelt change interval different from Fiat

[KNWH]

Now, it’s a bit embarrassing admitting this since I’m an engineer, but here goes…
I knew Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat cabs used for Motorhomes are all assembled on the same production line and I naively assumed there were only cosmetic differences to differentiate between them.
When I took my Peugeot Boxer based Motorhome for its MOT recently at a Peugeot main dealer I inquired about a price for changing the belt and was told it was not needed until 10 years or 96k miles.
I did some digging and discovered that, contrary to what I thought, Peugeot put their own engines in Boxers, hence the difference from Fiat’s recommendations.
Now I may be the only person on this forum who did not realise this, as I have since discovered other threads that mention this, but I’d never come across them before.
I am well aware of the dangers of a belt failing, and I will probably change mine before 10 years anyway. Everyone will have their opinion, but that is not really what this thread is intended for.
It’s just in case you have a Boxer-based unit and didn’t know. I suspect Citroen-based units will be the same.
Edit: mine is a 2018 build. Later or earlier models may be different!

 

[Mikeco]

My 2012 Boxer has the Ford Puma engine which is why I choose it for my conversion, it has a chain not a belt.

 

[Langtoftlad]

My 2017 Citroën Relay has a 2.0 BlueHDi (130ps) which I believe is specific to Citroën and the year.
Also 10 year belt interval, confirmed in writing by Citroën/Peugeot technical department.

 

[Lenny HB]

It’s just in case you have a Boxer-based unit and didn’t know. I suspect Citroen-based units will be the same.
Edit: mine is a 2018 build. Later or earlier models may be different!

The new 2.2 engine that is common across Fiat, Peugeot, Citron came out in 2021.

 

[L' Hobo]

Now, it’s a bit embarrassing admitting this since I’m an engineer, but here goes…
I knew Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat cabs used for Motorhomes are all assembled on the same production line and I naively assumed there were only cosmetic differences to differentiate between them.
When I took my Peugeot Boxer based Motorhome for its MOT recently at a Peugeot main dealer I inquired about a price for changing the belt and was told it was not needed until 10 years or 96k miles.
I did some digging and discovered that, contrary to what I thought, Peugeot put their own engines in Boxers, hence the difference from Fiat’s recommendations.
Now I may be the only person on this forum who did not realise this, as I have since discovered other threads that mention this, but I’d never come across them before.
I am well aware of the dangers of a belt failing, and I will probably change mine before 10 years anyway. Everyone will have their opinion, but that is not really what this thread is intended for.
It’s just in case you have a Boxer-based unit and didn’t know. I suspect Citroen-based units will be the same.
Edit: mine is a 2018 build. Later or earlier models may be different!

I suspect that the 2.3 X250 Fiat engine also have a similar TRUE belt change interval because the last TWO I have changed since I bought the vehicle ( one at 5000mls interval and the second, 6000mls later,) have BOTH been in excellent condition.

I think Fiat's 5000ml interval is both to make money and to cover their backsides!

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[Peterd82]

When I had a Boxer based MH I knew about Peugeot’s advice but decided to ignore it and am glad I did. The independent garage that changed the belt found that the water pump was about to collapse and needed urgent replacement. This was at at only just over 5 years and 10,000 miles. I dread to think how much the repair might have cost and certainly wouldn’t advise anyone to leave it that long before replacement.

 

[PP Bear]

I’d get it done at the 5 year point for sure, all the wizards and specialists in the world can quote 10 years or 96k, but I’d love to know who manufactures the actual belt

 

[BikerGraham]

Yep, found this out when enquired about it when I bought my Bailey. Peugeot based.

Plan on getting it done early this year though at 8 years old. Before we go to France in May.

 

[BaileySteve]

I wasn’t happy with the 10 year 96k interval either so had mine done in December using a Gates water pump and belt kit. My Boxer is 2018 2.0 HDi.

 

[The joker]

Booked in next week didn't fancy waiting 10 years either. Boxer 2018 2.0 HDi

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[oldiesontour]

Notice belt manufacturers give 5 yrs guarantee

 

[SpeedyDux]

Any van manufacturer can make the interval for timing belt changes as long as possible, because that helps promote sales to cost-conscious fleet managers, against competitors.

If the belt (or waterpump) fails prematurely, as long as the warranty period has expired, they don't really care.

[PS I am never going to buy anything that has a wet timing belt engine.]

 

[Basa]

My 2016 Peugeot 2.2 has a chain

 

[oldiesontour]

My 2016 Peugeot 2.2 has a chain

My 2020 boxer has a chain and a belt

 

[Hondaman]

Any van manufacturer can make the interval for timing belt changes as long as possible, because that helps promote sales to cost-conscious fleet managers, against competitors.

If the belt (or waterpump) fails prematurely, as long as the warranty period has expired, they don't really care.

[PS I am never going to buy anything that has a wet timing belt engine.]

Absolutely agree re the wet belts.
Whoever decided that they were a good idea should be taken outside and shot!
I will not go near a post 2016 Transit based motorhome because of the wet belt engine.
Seen several failures of these engines along with the PSA Puretech petrol engines, and also Ford’s EcoBoost units.

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[Anneg]

Bought our 2018 2.0 Peugeot Boxer based Elddis last November. Came with a full service and stated work done as 'Oil change, Cambelt Kit, Coolant and MOT'. Can anyway advise if this 'Kit' would have included a water pump - and also the significance/reason why this should be done.

 

[oldiesontour]

Bought our 2018 2.0 Peugeot Boxer based Elddis last November. Came with a full service and stated work done as 'Oil change, Cambelt Kit, Coolant and MOT'. Can anyway advise if this 'Kit' would have included a water pump - and also the significance/reason why this should be done.

Probably no water pump but may have been kit normally means belt,tensioner and guides,if bearings in waterpump wear/fail most likely same result as cambelt failure.If seals go water loss ...cambelt off to replace pump..at least good practice to change pump when doing cambelt,for the comparitily small extra cost, possibly not as important on a low mileage vehicle but that is debatable

 

[Busybees]

Absolutely agree re the wet belts.
Whoever decided that they were a good idea should be taken outside and shot!
I will not go near a post 2016 Transit based motorhome because of the wet belt engine.
Seen several failures of these engines along with the PSA Puretech petrol engines, and also Ford’s EcoBoost units.

I think the trade call the engines PSA Purecrap and Ford EcoBoom

 

[Anneg]

Probably no water pump but may have been kit normally means belt,tensioner and guides,if bearings in waterpump wear/fail most likely same result as cambelt failure.If seals go water loss ...cambelt off to replace pump..at least good practice to change pump when doing cambelt,for the comparitily small extra cost, possibly not as important on a low mileage vehicle but that is debatable

Thanks for the reply. Ours has done just over 7000 miles, so not a huge amount. I guess bearings could go at any time whether or not the pump is new. Since Peugeot recommend a change at 10 years and it's low milage if it's not been changed it's not significant. We didn't actually pay for the cambelt change, so if we need to get it done we will - first service will be after 2 years and will get it checked then.

 

[Barriesimpson]

I have been assured by the local Citroën dealer that the interval for the distribution kit is 150,000km or 10 years. I also have it in writing. As it is only 8 months old as we speak, I am still sitting on the fence on this one for now.

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[oldiesontour]

Thanks for the reply. Ours has done just over 7000 miles, so not a huge amount. I guess bearings could go at any time whether or not the pump is new. Since Peugeot recommend a change at 10 years and it's low milage if it's not been changed it's not significant. We didn't actually pay for the cambelt change, so if we need to get it done we will - first service will be after 2 years and will get it checked then.

Apart from an obvious water leak not really something that can be checked,without removal of at least the cambelt

I have been assured by the local Citroën dealer that the interval for the distribution kit is 150,000km or 10 years. I also have it in writing. As it is only 8 months old as we speak, I am still sitting on the fence on this one for now.

That's encouraging..they expect the engine to last that long

 

[KNWH]

I have been assured by the local Citroën dealer that the interval for the distribution kit is 150,000km or 10 years. I also have it in writing. As it is only 8 months old as we speak, I am still sitting on the fence on this one for now.

Here is the Peugeot version, for various items, for reference

 

[Barriesimpson]

That's encouraging..they expect the engine to last that long

Why wouldn't it?

 

[Barriesimpson]

Here is the Peugeot version, for various items, for reference

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Same as Citroën. After all, it's the same engine.

 

[dunnah01]

Not sure if it's the same as the Citroen 2.2 Ford engined lumps but our Freelander 2.2 PSA/Ford lump has both a timing chain and a timing belt ,

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[nicholsong]

If it has not been asked already, do the engine builders recommending different time intervals use belts of different materials? If not what is the difference in the technical specifications/use of the belt?

 

[KNWH]

Same as Citroën. After all, it's the same engine.

Yes, just thought having a summary of all the recommendations for the various filters etc. in writing is a useful reference for those of us with that engine

 

[Barriesimpson]

Not sure if it's the same as the Citroen 2.2 Ford engined lumps but our Freelander 2.2 PSA/Ford lump has both a timing chain and a timing belt ,

I doubt it. It's one or the other, the belt will be the ancillary belt that drives the water pump, alternator, air conditioning etc. and the chain for the distribution.

 

[Barriesimpson]

Yes, just thought having a summary of all the recommendations for the various filters etc. in writing is a useful reference for those of us with that engine

Absolutely my friend.

 

[Peterd82]

Citroen belonging to a friend of ours has had cam belt fail at 5 years 5 months having done 30k miles. Currently in dealer and the quote is £6K

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