Using uTorrent - downloading movies etc.....

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  1. Don Quixote

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    The place I'm staying in right offers free Internet access and of course everyone is using it.
    One chap has been for the past 3 + days been downloading movies ( which I have no problem with ) but was doing it 24/7, which because of the limited bandwidth meant everyone else was getting freezing on their "filmon" and "Skype".

    Having worked in the IT field for a number of years was able to fix it for the MH site owner so this can be limited in the future here.

    Could I take this opportunity to remind others by all means download what you want from "free Internet" but do it during the hours of 23:00hrs and 07:00hrs so others can enjoy using the service. Things like Skype and watching TV are important to some.

    John
     
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    We get that happening here in Zahora too!:Angry::Angry::Angry::Angry:
     
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    As far as I am concerned even watching television via a sites internet is pretty antisocial to be honest..
    Compared to telly, Skype uses very little bandwidth so no real issue with that
     
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    Some people have no choice, but to use B/Band to watch TV, however you are right.

    1MB download will however allow a max of 6 users to download and the likes of Filmon are not to heavy on the kb's, but 1x uTorrent user will connect to up to in some cases 300+ users to download a movie and in some cases this means up to 300+ trying to access that users IP to get an upload, hence to other users not being able to use the Internet because the bandwidth cannot cope!

    John
     
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    whilst I fully agree that some people are just selfish, in my experience the majority of users would have no idea what they were doing was antisocial or the technical reasons why they were denying service to other campers.


    I know its different, but how many times have we all seen a queue to get water because an rv is plumbed in for the next hour filling huge onboard tanks? we were at a site last summer where the couple in an rv connected their hose pipe then sat down to eat lunch leaving a line of 6 other vans needing to get water. when full they just let the tap run and overflow rather than turn off. no thoughts for others some people. even when the site owner had words with them, they couldnt see what they did as inconveniencing others
     
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    Reply: do not want to digress off the Internet subject sorry.

    John
     
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    But it is about being selfish with supplies whatever form they take. That's what makes this forum so interesting. :thumb:
     
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    I feel I must argue that point John, everyone has the choice, to either not abuse a system or to stretch it in their favour.

    If someone is that desperate to watch television they should buy a nice dish ( a big one if way down south ) and use that.. They should not, in my opinion, cause others to suffer a slow connection by foisting their own 'needs' on others
    Camp site WiFi systems are not set up with streaming or television watching in mind.. In fact in many rural areas that are stuck with copper feed the infrastructure is incapable of supporting such goings on.
    Camp site WiFi is meant to be used for a bit of surfing, emailing, and yes, a bit of forum bashing..

    TCPIP uses multiplier wait timers.. ( Unlike AX25 ).... so a data packet clashes.. The transmitter waits ( for arguments sake ) 10 ms then retransmits .. if it still fails to get a checksum back it then waits ( maybe ) 15ms,, this repeats and the wait time gets longer and longer until the originating transmitter gets a correct checksum...

    Now, if a few people are watching television the data traffic going back and forth is huge..
    You may be thinking, but we are talking ms here.. Yes, but consider this. To receive tv requires ABOUT a constant 1.5 meg ( low definition ) data stream.. that is 1.5 million/8 data packets transmitted and received, and 1.5 million/8 packets acknowledged back with a checksum ( the /8 is because most data packets are 8 bit plus checksum ) PER SECOND

    A few packet clashes and suddenly that is down to less than a tenth normal speed

    Ok, this is quite a simplified explanation and is actually full of holes but the physics and mechanics of what is happening is there, just some of the figures can be played around with..

    But over all the way the average camp site is set up means that, no matter what, watching television via a WiFi signal is somewhat anti-social...




    Andddddd

    Breath ................................ :Blush::Rofl1:
     
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    How do you know this one chap was the sole cause of all the problems. Were there no other "campers" on this site. Maybe the connection was just pretty poor...

    Maybe there were many (important to them) "TV Watchers" all streaming at the same time, and the bandwidth was small to start with, hence contributing to poor data speeds.

    "Some people have no choice, but to use B/Band to watch TV,"

    They could like the rest of who like to watch TV, buy a satellite system, even with a small dish you can switch satellite and get UK news channels......

    I'm sure the campers are happy now that you helped the owner to "limit" the system so now they can't even get on MHF............
     
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    How I knew was I look at all the IP addresses on the router (7 in total) and then disconnected each one at a time and watched the data level. I found him in minutes. I left him disconnected and sure enough he came storming up to the owner demanding to know what had happened to the Internet. Upon being asked why he stated "I'm downloading movies" and at this point I informed him in my way the errors of his way. To be far he appoligised to the me and the owner, but stated he does it in every site he goes to!!!!! Since that point he has stopped and the system is running fine.

    Perhaps in time and with a little knowledge people will play the game. A this site in the next few days with a new router fitted there will be little chance of downloading movies etc as the newest routers allow you to block this sort of thing.

    By the way I have as so does the chap next to me a sat dish up so some do - no many do play the game.

    A real hornets nest...........


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    I am the chap next to Don Quixote on a sat dish to watch the TV:BigGrin:....
    Finding out who the person was doing the dowloading on a large scale on the campsite internet, would have been quite easy... myself and three other motorhomes were off site out shopping....leaving Don Quixote and this person mentioned and one other motorhome left on the campsite:Wink::Wink:

    And top it all .....this person the download demon:Doh::Rofl1::Rofl1: has just won the FIRST PRIZE the most expensive prize and his wife has won the second prize.out of three..sods law..... at the free BBQ put on by the owner and partner..this dinner time..first class :thumb:
    With many different meats beautiful cooked on the BBQ all free.......
    Mel
     
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    Surly, this problem is not with the user but with the provider! Why should people be restricted from using a facility to obtain the service they want ! The solution is for the provider to provide a better download speed or greater capacity. This is the only way countries like Spain will catch up with the internet needs of it's people. We have done this in the UK and improving our broadband speeds all the time. It's time for Europe to catch up.
     
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    strange I never noticed anyone saying that using utorrent to download movies/music is theft or does everyone do it these days.
    :reel:
     
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    Yes technically it is breaking the law.....copyright theft. Law changes will make service providers warn downloaders and service might be withdrawn ...and copyright owners want service providers to report downloaders so they can prosecute them............not sure if there have been many successful prosecutions to date ?

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    It is indeed a "hornet's nest", but who is it who should decide who will be the "Download Police" for the camp-site?....

    Surely the camp-site owner should decide on the policy for the Internet usage, as with all his other camp-site policies.

    Are other campers going to vigorously pursue fellow campers who use their hook up "excessively" and perhaps run heaters all thought the night in their van, or even in their awnings?:Doh:

    Will we expect a visit from a camp-site Policeman, if we spend more than 5 minutes taking a Hot Shower at the camp-site facilities?:Doh:

    Will fellow campers time each other in the pool and ask other campers to leave, even when it's empty, just because they think you have been in the pool long enough!.....:Doh:

    I go to camp-sites with the intention to relax.....:thumb:

    If my neighbouring camper turns into the self appointed camp Police man then maybe I will resort to unplugging his hook up when it's dark.....:Wink::Wink: Now that would be naughty, wouldn't it..... or maybe I would just move on and find a more relaxed place to pitch up.:RollEyes:

    A hornet's nest could easily become a plague of locusts on your camp-site............:Eeek:
     
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    But are your campsites in the." UK" only £6.00 per night (7.50 euros) this includes free wifi,...free 16 amp electric,.. free water,a nice homely site locked at night and a free BBQ with all the different meats beautiful cooked for free, swimming pools games room tv room ..:Doh: with sun nearly everyday.. Idon't think so.... What do you want for £6.00:Doh: What Don Quixote has said I agree with ... What Don Quixote was doing was helping a very nice campsite owner who has only been open 6 months from being exploited from a motorhomer that was there to take all he could for as little as possible as a few other motorhomers do .. as Don Quixote is IT and understands more than the owner on wifi ..

    Could please pass on to me the coordinationns of all these campsites in the UK you know for the same price like for like as this campsite, everything included in the price of £6.00...with unlimited downloads with all the facilities
    :BigGrin::thumb:

    Mel
     
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    ......and free, crystal clear pool with sun loungers around, games room with free pool table, babyfoot table, etc, free hot showers, clothes washing facilities, no extra charge for the dog or hubby :Rofl1:, free Bingo with nice prizes (yes, we know who won lol!) after the free BBQ.....the list goes on....all for that price!:thumb:
     
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    It's time the UK caught up..

    there are millions of UK households and businesses who don't have high speed broadband.. many , including myself , still suffer from a slow adsl, running on copper wires strung across the fields of Suffolk on poles.. Our exchange is about 9 miles away.. that's a long way on twisted copper wires.. on peak periods my speed is little better than dial up ...
     
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    Will someone PLEASE put me out of my misery and tell me where this fantastic site is please ?
     
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    Jaws it is a secret....but for the people that do come to this site and are tooooo Ti**t to pay 5 euros for the auto washer....the owner has kindly provided free of charge any time of the day.... a washing mashine :Wink::Wink:
     

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