Tell me about refillable gas

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  1. jimothy

    jimothy Read Only Funster

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    Hey ho

    There's been a few threads about refillable gas conversions, and I quite fancy this as my next DIY project, but I'm a bit confused about exactly what bits I need!

    Given what's already been posted elsewhere, I'm pretty much decided on a single 11kg Alugas installation, with the filler in my compartment door, and a remote LED indicator indoors. But I'm confused about what the different fittings are, which filler type I need, what regulator etc.

    Currently I have a 6kg propane cylinder, with the regulator just of the end of a rubber hose.

    Have emailed Autogas2000 for advice, but none has been forthcoming as yet, so I wondered if any Funsters could assist?

    Cheers

    Jamie.
     
  2. Phill D

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    Hi Jamie, not an expert on this but like you have read up a bit about it as i am still considering it.

    only observation i have is that they do not recommend placing the filler point in the door... apparentley it can result in the pipe kinking or getting damaged. so it should either be on a braket inside the locker or in the side skirt of the van preferably the lower the better.

    Also i believe you can retain your existing regulator, not seen the LED indicator system...:thumb:
     
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    When we had our initial Alugas cylinder fitted (by Dave Newell) we had a hose end regulator as pictured. Alugas do an adapter to fit the regulator to the bottle. The filling adapter is completely separate.

    When we had the second bottle fitted (by Autogas 2000) we also had a wall mounted regulator installed with set up so that we can automatically use both bottles as required.

    Autogas 2000 will know exactly what you need.
     

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    You read well, spot on with your comments. It really is very simple for a single tank, a bit more work for a pair. We have a single 11kg and it works a treat. We can do a whole summer holiday on that or a week in Scotland in the winter.

    Only dark side so far Spain. LPG filling pumps are thin on the ground there. France may be a bit iffy if the attendant refuses to turn on the pump, this is where an external filler is best. I started with an internal filler, keeps it clean and tidy, but moved it outside later.
     
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    Try here . These appear to be very good prices. They are out of stock at the moment but suggest they should have the new cylinders by the end of the month.
     
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    the best position for the filler is fixed in the van wall or lower valance as there can be problems at stations with filling if you have to open the gas locker door mainly due to those filler adapters that can got off fleabay for filling calor bottles.
     
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    Just for info,

    if you are intending to fill lpg in France, it is illegal unless the filler is fitted to the outside of the vehicle in permanent manner! ie never fitted to a hatch or behind any sort of cover!

    It is for your safety that the powers that be have specified this, as I am told that any loss from the filler will disipate into the atmosphere and not into your precious motorhome.

    I am considering changing to lpg due to the problems of different cylinders and will follow this thread with interest.

    John:thumb:
     
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    Would be helpful if you could provide an official point of reference for the
    afore mentioned ruling. hear say in these important matters is insufficient

    Oh and just to clarify my gas bottle locker, as all should be, is designed in such a way it is open at the bottom to prevent such a gas build up that you suggest,as both gas and lpg are heavier than air they will always be dispelled from a correctly designed gas compartment.

    Regards
    Steve :thumb:
     
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  9. Stewart J

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    Dave Newall supplied and fitted the exact system you describe ie 1 x 13kg Alugas Cylinder. He does supply kits and parts for DIY and you'll get a Funsters discount.

    http://www.davenewell.co.uk/

    I'm well pleased with mine so easy and convenient to fill. :thumb::thumb::thumb:
     
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    I have Alugas with the remote LED guage (two in fact, one for each bottle) they are OK but tend to read as full till half empty and then start going down.
    I would not recommend fitting the filler in the door as the pipe to it is thick and not very flexible, so a possibility of damage opening and closing the door.
    Best is to put it through the van wall as then it is nice and strong, skirt panel OK but may need strengthening as the gas nozzles are heavy when filling.
    I don't know whether the French restriction on filling where you have to open the locker is actually law or just a guideline, but with an external filler no problem. The pumps have some wording about your vehicle having to be registered as LPG/dual fuel but in practice this only applies to French vehicles, so as long as it looks like you might run on LPG you will be OK.
    As a precaution I never fill up with diesel at the same station as LPG, as thats a bit of a giveaway that you're not using it for road fuel.
     
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    When I was researching prior to having mine fitted I did read several posts to the effect that fitting the filler on an opening locker door is a no no as it can cause premature hose failures and can stress other components. (ie if you open the locker to check anything on closure has the flexi hose stowed correctly and is not fouling anything that could cause chaffing?

    Just a thought. :Eeek:
     
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    I have an 11kg Gaslow bottle (full) for sale and all the system bits and bobs to go with it if anyone is interested PM me

    Happy Daze
    Chrisboyo
     
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    I'd advise the use of all stainless steel gas pipes as opposed to rubber, as this prevents gooey deposits building up in your system.

    My only gripe with Gaslow is the fiddly little plastic gauge that fits on the neck of the cylinder is rubbish - the needle jumps around all over the place. It told me my cylinder was nearly empty when it was still half full.

    I think Gaslow themselves are running that story about French filling stations needing side-mounted filling caps rather than locker-mounted.
     
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    Can you squeeze it down to 6 kg for me please Chris:Wink:
     
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    I have a gaslow refillable cylinder filler kit on mine this is a twin 11k gas bottle external filler with a changeover regulator I use about £16 to fill both and have an external filler just like if I had converted . I am full time in my van and when freestanding I use about £10 a week heating /hot water/cooking and fridge . I also have solar power and a generator but my heat and cooking are exclusively gas . Anyway Autogas is propane - so for pre-2004 vans you will need to change your regulator and fit one of the following :
    propane manual changeover
    propane autochangeover
    propane electra
    If you are already using propane you can convert your existing regulator a propane adapter and gauge ,If you have propane changeover , simply change high pressure hose.or newer vans fitted with a 30mbar caravan and using 7kg butane cylinders , simply remove the clip on adapter . If using propane change the high pressure hose(s) err I think :Wink:
     
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    If the price is right you could swap the large bottle with someone for the smaller one ... :thumb:
     
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    I fitted a "gas it" system very easy came as complete kit from their website also very helpful on the phone when I had questions about change over regulator etc.:thumb:
     
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    Chris is Welsh they're like the Scots but without the generosity :Rofl1:
     
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    filling the gas tank

    Hi, just finnished fitting a Gas It 38ltr underslung tank using 8mm copper tube to existing on wall regulator and inside van level indicator, the Gas It web site is easy to use for both refillable systems and fast delivery, good prices too.
    Next step is filling it I was hoping to note the ltrs as the level of liquid gas increases and the lights on the level gauge change so I will have some idea of the remaining gas while in use. Does anybody know if there is a lot of turbulance in the tank while filling and can you stop the pump for short periods to let things settle as level changes are indicated to try and get accurate readings. Hope this question is ok seeing as it to do with gas?
    Cheers Phil,
     
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    Some very interesting responses on here. Many thanks all.

    One thing - I had assumed that the in-door filler would involve cutting a hole in the door and fitting the filler there, rather than having the filler on the inside of the door and having to open the compartment to fillup.
    (although that now makes sense of what the 90 degree filler bracket I see in the kit is for! :RollEyes:)

    Is cutting a hole in the compartment door an option? Or is it better to put the filler in the body somewhere?


    Had a very helpful email back from Wendy at Autogas with a list of bits. Looking forward to getting my plans sorted and ordering my kit!
     
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