RANT. Inconsiderate people (3 Viewers)

[GJH]

Children are their parents responsibility.

Yes but we are talking about children who are not at fault being attacked by dogs owned by people who are at fault. That fault is not transferable.

 

[Dave K]

The best thing would be to keep the dog leashed, and away from other people! You can tell from yards away if someone is nervous about an approaching dog. If your dog is as well trained and obedient as you say it is, then whistle it back, and leash it. Simple.
The thing that has cropped up a few times in this thread, (unfortunately), are comments from co-respondents like "They dont like dogs, well tough on them". No dog owner has the God given right to impose his or her dog on another person! This is so easy to fix! You see someone approaching, they look nervous? Clip the dog.
I have noticed of late that SOME dog owners walking with unleashed dogs are more interested in texting then watching what their animal is up to.

Completely agree, it was just a tip for anyone in that situation, a dog is looking for engagement, if you show it no interest then it'll move on. I've had umpteen run ins with dog owners, i'm very careful with my 2, particularly as one of them is unpredictable so again i completely agree regarding some owners being otherwise engaged in mobile phones or sorting their kids, it's all about education and taking responsibility

 

[Lisa]

Yes but we are talking about children who are not at fault being attacked by dogs owned by people who are at fault. That fault is not transferable.

I never said children were at fault.
I never said the owners weren't at fault.
I said that children need educating regarding the risks of their safety, in all aspects of life. You said children wouldn't know what to do around a loose dog, I merely stated that it's the responsibility of the parents to ensure the safety of their child.

There are murderers, thieves, abusers etc all around. We don't trust them not to harm children. We take on responsibility of informing children of the risks. Nothing to do with transferring fault.

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[Tootles]

Completely agree, it was just a tip for anyone in that situation, a dog is looking for engagement, if you show it no interest then it'll move on. I've had umpteen run ins with dog owners, i'm very careful with my 2, particularly as one of them is unpredictable so again i completely agree regarding some owners being otherwise engaged in mobile phones or sorting their kids, it's all about education and taking responsibility

At last! We have a platform where we can both agree to discuss arms limitations talks!

 

[GJH]

I never said children were at fault.
I never said the owners weren't at fault.
I said that children need educating regarding the risks of their safety, in all aspects of life. You said children wouldn't know what to do around a loose dog, I merely stated that it's the responsibility of the parents to ensure the safety of their child.

There are murderers, thieves, abusers etc all around. We don't trust them not to harm children. We take on responsibility of informing children of the risks. Nothing to do with transferring fault.

Below is a quote from a Facebook group from last August. Pray tell me how anyone but the dog owner is at fault and how any fault could be laid at the feet of the child or her parents.

I've never posted on here before, however after my daughter was attacked by a dog near Bottoms Reservoir, I'm going to name and shame John Hughes of Hadfield (if that is your real name).

You let your dog who wasn't on a lead bounce up and knock my 3 year old daughter to the floor of gravel injuring her. Then it tried to bite her fully with a jump that only failed because I picked her up and lifted her higher than your cods bred Labrador/collie could jump. The attack only stopped as my wife screamed and chased the dog.

May I just say I find this disgusting, I will be reporting this incident to the police and I recommend all dog owners to take charge of their animal. This dog owner didn't call their dog after the first attack even, didn't apologise until I chased him afterwards and did nothing to stop this.

You are lucky I was holding my daughter after the initial attack as I had I not been I would have kicked and punched your dog with brutal blows until it had stopped. And I would not hesitate to do so (as any father would feel).

John Hughes - if you're in this Glossop page - I'm reporting yourself and your dog so the insane and violent dog that ran up and have an unprovoked attack will be put down.

You are a sick human being for letting a 3 year old get hurt and do nothing.

 

[Dave K]

At last! We have a platform where we can both agree to discuss arms limitations talks!

Haha! It's an interesting debate, I love dogs and would always say hello to one whether it's poorly trained or not but can totally understand that not everybody likes them, I just hope mine behave when I venture onto the next site incase any of you lot are there

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[Lisa]

Below is a quote from a Facebook group from last August. Pray tell me how anyone but the dog owner is at fault and how any fault could be laid at the feet of the child or her parents.

I'm not going to tell you anything of the sort. I'm off out to walk my dogs....they listen to me

 

[Tootles]

Haha! It's an interesting debate, I love dogs and would always say hello to one whether it's poorly trained or not but can totally understand that not everybody likes them, I just hope mine behave when I venture onto the next site incase any of you lot are there

As I also do. We have a JR bitch, I'm far from anti dog, but very anti inconsiderate owner. And as for my point in an earlier thread, many cities are now awash with yobs who use their dogs as weapons.

 

[johnp10]

Graham, you're on a loser here.

Dog owners are strange people.
They always pick up crap...ok.
Dogs are family members with human traits....ok.
Their dogs understand every word they say.....ok.
Taking out 3 or 4 dogs together isn't encouraging the pack instinct.....ok.
We should all (little kids included) make amendments to our lives in order to tolerate or at least accept their animal's behaviour.....ok.
Their dog just wants to be friendly / say hello.....ok
It's ok for the dog to "give you a kiss" (that is, lick your face just after licking its arse).....ok.

They do what they do and everyone else should either do like wise or at least make changes to their lives and so tolerate / encourage the dogs' behaviour.

The owner should exercise control.
If they can't, they shouldn't keep an animal.

You will not get them to accept any responsibility for a dog's behaviour, it's always someone else's fault.

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[Dave K]

As I also do. We have a JR bitch, I'm far from anti dog, but very anti inconsiderate owner. And as for my point in an earlier thread, many cities are now awash with yobs who use their dogs as weapons.

It's very sad, dogs getting stolen and used as bait for fighting dogs, kids using staffies as status symbols, must admit that's one dog that I'm a little wary of when I have my dogs with me, lovely dogs with people but very rarely see one that can socialise with other dogs and the power it possesses by locking its jaw is frightening, always worry that mine will bark/ growl and cause a reaction, I have 3 of them live in my area that I walk the dogs and all 3 are aggressive, if either there's a dog that needs training it's one of them

 

[Dave K]

Graham, you're on a loser here.

Dog owners are strange people.
They always pick up crap...ok.
Dogs are family members with human traits....ok.
Their dogs understand every word they say.....ok.
Taking out 3 or 4 dogs together isn't encouraging the pack instinct.....ok.
We should all (little kids included) make amendments to our lives in order to tolerate or at least accept their animal's behaviour.....ok.
Their dog just wants to be friendly / say hello.....ok
It's ok for the dog to "give you a kiss" (that is, lick your face just after licking its arse).....ok.

They do what they do and everyone else should either do like wise or at least make changes to their lives and so tolerate / encourage the dogs' behaviour.

The owner should exercise control.
If they can't, they shouldn't keep an animal.

You will not get them to accept any responsibility for a dog's behaviour, it's always someone else's fault.

I think that's called generalisation

 

[johnp10]

I think that's called generalisation

No more so than folk implying parents, not the dog nor its owner, are at fault when a kid is attacked?

The owner chooses to have a dog, their prerogative.
No problem with that.
Likewise, folk who don't want them should not have to be bothered by them, nor make adjustments to their lives to accommodate the dog and it's owner.

Reasonable?

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[Dave K]

No more so than folk implying parents, not the dog nor its owner, are at fault when a kid is attacked?

The owner chooses to have a dog, their prerogative.
No problem with that.
Likewise, folk who don't want them should not have to be bothered by them, nor make adjustments to their lives to accommodate the dog and it's owner.

Reasonable?

You start the post 'dog owners are strange people' and end it with 'you will not get them to accept any responsibility for their dogs behaviour', to me that's putting us all in the same group, a bit like me saying that everybody that wears a waistcoat is a Status Quo fanatic...

 

[johnp10]

You start the post 'dog owners are strange people' and end it with 'you will not get them to accept any responsibility for their dogs behaviour', to me that's putting us all in the same group, a bit like me saying that everybody that wears a waistcoat is a Status Quo fanatic...

I do.
I am.
(Hair gone though, no pony tail.)

We are generalising, are we not?
What other way is there?
Discuss every single owner / waistcoat wearer, etc?

The point being laboured to death here and falling on deaf ears, is the premise that if you have an animal you, not the world at large, are responsible for its behaviour.
The owner, after all, is the trainer, not the three year old kid.

As a generalisation.....reasonable?

Take Graham's situation with asthma.
Should he be running around like a blue arsed fly avoiding dogs, or should the dog be kept in check by its owner?
Surely those like Graham who can't have contact, or those who just don't want muddy pawmarks on the good chinos should be respected?

Common sense must prevail.

 

[Rob e Lee]

Like GJH I too am extremely allergic to dogs which in my case has some benefits. My Mother in Law has always kept dogs - I don't have to visit

Rob

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[johnp10]

Dave K,

Example of an owners attitude.
(Not talking about ALL owners by any stretch.)

Some years ago I was riding my scooter through the village of Kessingland Beach in Suffolk.
I was attacked and bitten in the side by a bloody great un leashed Pyranean Mountain Dog.
I fell off and the dog came back for some more.
I booted the thing to stop it attacking me further.
The owner went ballistic.
Said I had no right to boot his dog, the dog had a dislike for scooters, so it was MY fault for riding it there.
He even offered me violence.
(Just the once)

Was I wrong for having the cheek to ride a scooter on the public road?
Was the dog at fault for attacking me?
Was the owner at fault, knowing his animal's dislikes but still having the thing run free?

Owner.
Training and / or control is the thing, surely?

 

[sdc77]

Lol... Facebook quotes and sweeping generalisations aimed at winding up passionate dog owners isn't the best way to have a discussion.. But that's dogs for you.. Good job we're not talking about keyboard warriors and trolling.. That would be a great topic.

Almost all the dog owners contributing to this thread have agreed that owners have to be responsible for their dogs... They shouldn't run and jump up on people and should be tied up in sites... But still people are ranting. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve and can only assume it's an attempt just to wind people up.. Cause you can.

 

[Tootles]

He even offered me violence.
(Just the once)

I would have had his teeth on my crash helmet.......

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[Deleted member 29692]

Been reading this thread with interest. My dogs are trained not to jump up and they are never off the lead unless it is somewhere appropriate, usually only when we're training.

When other peoples dogs try and jump up at me I usually knock them away. It's 100% down to the owner of the dog to keep it under control. The suggestions that other people, even children, should study and learn how to control other peoples dogs strikes me as ridiculous. Not many people, especially those that are nervous of dogs, would turn their back on a strange dog, I know I wouldn't and I'm not scared of dogs at all. I think that particular piece of advice is bad bordering on silly and I don't care how many books or websites suggest it as the "correct" thing to do.

 

[GJH]

I think that's called generalisation

Yes, it is generalisation but we tend to generalise all the time. For instance, when I meet somebody for the first time my approach is to treat them as a potential friend rather than a potential enemy.

However, when irresponsible behaviour is defended as it has been on some posts on this thread then one is left to generalise rather differently and manage potential risk by making assumptions as in John's post.

 

[GJH]

I do.
I am.
(Hair gone though, no pony tail.)

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[GJH]

I'm not going to tell you anything of the sort. I'm off out to walk my dogs....they listen to me

Q.E.D.

 

[Wildman]

All dogs on sites should be on a lead, no matter how well trained THEY are. There is always a dog/child or adult that may have a problem. Most sites tend to be in the country, if there are sheep around then the dog may be tempted to chase/worry them and farmers carry shotguns to protect their livestock. It is all about respect for other peoples space, property and feelings.

 

[johnp10]

I'm not going to tell you anything of the sort. I'm off out to walk my dogs....they listen to me

Understand every word I say?

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[rangi]

'recoverable' within ten seconds. Your dog?? then act responsibly for that dogs welfare, and don't allow it ever to get into a position where it may be hit. If it does get hit, then the fault is yours.

Hear! Hear!

 

[rangi]

In my eyes, he is a bully!

Aggression begets aggression. He's lucky one of those poor dogs hasn't turned on him.

Any Dog that jumps up WITHOUT being invited to, WILL, get a clout from me so will any dog owner that raises a hand to me!

I disciplined an unruly DOG! Your comparisons to hitting a child are frankly hysterical nonsense, in fact a lot of these posts are just that, hysterical sentimental nonsense! The Dog was ill trained, (didn't like being chained up, it was barking and whining) it was obvious the dog owner was not in control of the ANIMAL!!
I wont say what happens to ANY dog that is found worrying stock because some of you will be needing smelling salts or a Packer Wacker!

I disciplined an unruly, ill trained, ANIMAL! Get over it! it's not the end of the world! The Dog had a short sharp lesson that it needed.

 

[rangi]

Maybe so in UK Tootles.
No public footpaths on private land here..... good chance we'd shoot anyone trying to cross anyway

You're correct, shooting legal if we believe stock is being endangered.

Oh dear now you've gone and done it! there'll be Ambulances rushing hither and thither.

Bad boy! Bad bad boy! - - - Naughty step for you!

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[Deleted34567]

Oh dear now you've gone and done it! there'll be Ambulances rushing hither and thither.

Bad boy! Bad bad boy! - - - Naughty step for you!

Naw,
We just chuck the bodies in a well !

 

[rangi]

Naw,
We just chuck the bodies in a well !

OH NOOOO! now you've gawn and upset the Greenie tree huggers

 

[jbb]

It's really very simple, do not inflict your children or pets on other people!!

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