Propane Calor Gas Refils? (1 Viewer)

[StitchUp]

We use two 6Kg (Orange) Calor gas bottles in our van. To refill locally costs £37, that is swap empty for full.

I notice on eBay there are these:

I'm unsure if it's easy to find refil stations - do you do it yourself - I'm told it's a lot cheaper or is it a no go?

The eBay fitting is circa £30

Any advice/comments?

Thanks

 

[Northernraider]

I worked for air products for a bit after I left the military. I would fill lpg bottles with basic fast connect hardware. It was done on weight the gas would stop filling once the bottles tare weight was taken and how meany kilos of lpg you wanted to put in. Simple fast and easy. Now filling yourself on a ordinary log bottle is dangerous as it will overfill

Not if you take your hand off the button at the desired amount.

Your petrol tank will also overfill if you don't release the trigger but most folk seem capable of that

 

[bigtree]

hmm...not a great deal. They are £189 each brand new. External filling kit/hose is £76. I never understand why people use two. Do you have two petrol tanks in your car?

This is what I have for sale, plus the bottles are full.

Gaslow R67 11kg Refillable Twin Cylinder Kit

Specially designed to fit all caravans, motorhomes and campervans. The R67 approved cylinders include a special multi-valve which automatically shuts off the gas when 80% capacity is reached – preventing dangerous overfilling. For complete safety, an excess flow valve prevents full flow of gas...

autogasshop.co.uk

 

[Kannon Fodda]

Not sure Calor have directly said refilling their cylinders is illegal. They have said it's dangerous and is also against their own t&cs which given that you hire a cylinder rather than own it means the refilled is in breach of contract.

Refilling on a commercial basis by a lpg supplier would be a big problem for that supplier against all sorts of regulations and duties of care. Similarly even an individual refilling a cylinder in the UK, whilst that individual may have limited duty of care, the supplying station has many issues under
Health and Safety at Work Act, the Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations, and the Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations.

An old calor article: https://www.calor.co.uk/news-and-vi...refilling-of-lpg-cylinders-at-petrol-stations

 

[Ernesto]

What a load of tosh.

Simple mathematics gets you 80% of 22 litres.

If you are incapable that's OK not everyone has the same abilities but don't judge others by your failings.

That’s a bit harsh. He acknowledges many on here are capable of doing it correctly

80% of 22 is sadly, a calculation many adults in this country would struggle with ….and that assumes they even know about the 80% in the first place. But I agree, its not illegal as such.

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[fat haggis]

Not if you take your hand off the button at the desired amount.

Your petrol tank will also overfill if you don't release the trigger but most folk seem capable of that

what is the desired amount. Bottles come in different sizes. What if the bottle had gas in and they were topping it up. So what’s the desired amount.

 

[Minxy]

Your petrol tank will also overfill if you don't release the trigger but most folk seem capable of that

Fuel guns have a safety cut off though so stop when the end of the gun has fuel up against it (back pressure I assume?), the non-user-refillables won't do this as no safety cut off in them so if you rely on the gun to wait until it can 'feel' the LPG liquid you could keep filling it up to 100% which is what happened to the German couple we had to help.

I know you like to get a point across Tam, and I understand what you are saying, but there are times when doing that could encourage some to do something risky which isn't always a good idea.

 

[Minxy]

If you are incapable that's OK not everyone has the same abilities but don't judge others by your failings.

When I swapped our old Gaslow for the newly recertified one last week I had a good chin wag with the chap there, now I'm no expert but he was 'impressed' (a bit!) with my knowledge as most of those he had had dealings with, both newbies and 'old hands', had little awareness of the risks associated with LPG. I know how to fit a system and test it for safety having moved ours several times from one MH/camper to another and never had an issue with it, we chatted about various makes and the intricacies of the different cylinders, both older and new ones, so I know about the ins and outs of various systems, in fact there wasn't anything he could tell me that I didn't already know.

I'm not saying that to be 'clever' but even I, with my knowledge and experience of having refillables since 2009, would NEVER use one of these adaptors and/or try to fill a non-user-refillable cylinder, I have too much respect for and awareness of the risks associated with LPG as well as for my health and those around me, not to mention my and their property.

I don't give a jot to be fair if some feel 'capable' of doing it, it's not something that they should be doing no matter how 'competent' they believe they are.

 

[MichaelT]

Your petrol tank will also overfill if you don't release the trigger but most folk seem capable of that

No it won't as the pump always cuts out automatically, but you can just pull the trigger again!

 

[MichaelT]

What law is that? I know it's against Calor's Terms and Conditions, but its often reported as being "illegal". I'm writing an article now about gas in the UK. Can you point me to the relevant law that is broken as I've not found it. Thanks

Jim Isn't there a red book or something that got amended to allow filling of refillable bottles (safefill) at forecourts?

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[Lenny HB]

What a load of tosh.

Simple mathematics gets you 80% of 22 litres.

If you are incapable that's OK not everyone has the same abilities but don't judge others by your failings.

That post you quoted of mine is not my post.

 

[Northernraider]

The bottle valve has to be open to fill it. Most people have 2 bottles so the easiest and safest way I'd imagine is to make sure it's completely empty by leaving the valve open . Then obviously it varies on size of bottle what 80% is but every phone has a calculator on it.

 

[Northernraider]

That post you quoted of mine is not my post.

I know , not sure what happened there

 

[Northernraider]

Fuel guns have a safety cut off though so stop when the end of the gun has fuel up against it (back pressure I assume?), the non-user-refillables won't do this as no safety cut off in them so if you rely on the gun to wait until it can 'feel' the LPG liquid you could keep filling it up to 100% which is what happened to the German couple we had to help.

I know you like to get a point across Tam, and I understand what you are saying, but there are times when doing that could encourage some to do something risky which isn't always a good idea.

As I said I personally don't use these adapters, but I've seen them used by various people over the years with absolutely no issues.

I'm no encouraging anyone really I'd always suggest having the proper gear. But I also don't see these being anymore dangerous in the right hands. That can be said about many things . My main objection was the several posts on here calling other people on here who used them idiots . A few of those people I know and would consider intelligent capable people .

Anyway I give up because like the grey water and toilet threads and the occasional flt threads I find it pointless.

There are some who think they're way is the only way .

Whereas I'm a fan of nietzsche

I'm just gonna add the thread to ignore now. More important things to worry about.

 

[Northernraider]

No it won't as the pump always cuts out automatically, but you can just pull the trigger again!

Always?

If its working right yeah ...but I've seen a few over the years that haven't

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[Lenny HB]

Always?

If its working right yeah ...but I've seen a few over the years that haven't

Your ignore didn't last long.

 

[The Wino]

Just for those who think calor is a rip off how about £48 yesterday for a campingaz 907 with 2.75 kg of gas not far short of £10 a litre!

 

[Reallyretired]

Always?

If its working right yeah ...but I've seen a few over the years that haven't

Quite true. I had a shoe full of diesel earlier this year in France.

 

[VXman]

I can’t answer that! Where do Gaslow users get their cylinders refilled?

Any fuel station that has LPG. I just wondered as people keep linking Morrisons with Safefill so wondered if Morrisons would refuse a different make of refillable.

 

[JockandRita]

Any fuel station that has LPG. I just wondered as people keep linking Morrisons with Safefill so wondered if Morrisons would refuse a different make of refillable.

Not that I am aware of having used several Morrisons autogas outlets, but our cylinders/bulk tank have been permanently installed, rather than removable for refilling.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[Lenny HB]

Just for those who think calor is a rip off how about £48 yesterday for a campingaz 907 with 2.75 kg of gas not far short of £10 a litre!

Guess who refills Camping gas bottles.
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[VXman]

This is what I have for sale, plus the bottles are full.

Gaslow R67 11kg Refillable Twin Cylinder Kit

Specially designed to fit all caravans, motorhomes and campervans. The R67 approved cylinders include a special multi-valve which automatically shuts off the gas when 80% capacity is reached – preventing dangerous overfilling. For complete safety, an excess flow valve prevents full flow of gas...

autogasshop.co.uk

Hamilton Gas are cheaper.

 

[Basildog]

Just for those who think calor is a rip off how about £48 yesterday for a campingaz 907 with 2.75 kg of gas not far short of £10 a litre!

Imagine how much it costs me when I buy 240 and pay the new cylinder charge on each too
Just like Calor the gas is only part of the story, the transportation and distribution costs will be far greater.
Cylinders are shipped to France every time it’s filled, revalved and painted before filling.
So shipping to and from France then distributed by Flogas to dealers.

 

[Basildog]

Guess who refills Camping gas bottles.
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No they don’t.
That stopped a few years ago they are all returned to France for filling .
Calor really has pulled away from the Leisure market.

 

[bigtree]

Hamilton Gas are cheaper.

I guess you're not interested in buying then.

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[TonyEmm]

Any fuel station that has LPG. I just wondered as people keep linking Morrisons with Safefill so wondered if Morrisons would refuse a different make of refillable.

I’ve no doubt that’s because Morrisons are a ‘Safefill Partner’.

Safefill Refilling Partners - Morrisons | Safefill

Safefill Refilling Partners - Morrisons

www.safefill.co.uk

 

[JJ]

People who think it is dangerous should not (NOT) refill Calor bottles themselves.

JJ

 

[VXman]

I’ve no doubt that’s because Morrisons are a ‘Safefill Partner’.

Safefill Refilling Partners - Morrisons | Safefill

Safefill Refilling Partners - Morrisons

www.safefill.co.uk

Yes -aware of that. just wondering if they would refuse anything else.

 

[VXman]

I guess you're not interested in buying then.

All ready sorted just didn't want to see someone over spend on a 2nd hand system.

 

[bigtree]

All ready sorted just didn't want to see someone over spend on a 2nd hand system.

So kind of you to spoil my sales ad.

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[jockaneezer]

I have a butane torch I carry in my toolkit, it's refillable from an aerosol, the only instructions are don't smoke and to do it in a well ventilated area. I appreciate it's a lot smaller than a van's setup, but it could still spoil your day if you got it wrong, but it doesn't mention that you will be breaking any law by refilling one gas receptacle from another ?