Overnight at Bamburgh

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  1. dellwood33

    dellwood33 Read Only Funster

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    We were at the carparks on the dunes along the Wynd at Bamburgh the other day.
    It's a smashing spot, even though the 1st carpark is signed as prohibiting overnight camping etc.
    The second carpark has no such signs and when we were there, a couple of motorhomes were parked up. I was just contemplating spending a mid week session there, when on leaving the carpark, I notices a pair of very robust steel plates set into the ground at either side of the entrance. Just the right size for mounting a set of height barriers :Sad:
    When we drove past rthe 1st carpark, there were a freshly fitted set of plates there as well. - looks like the chance of a bit of wildcamping and even parking may be about to be cutrailed in this beautiful spot.
    I will keep an eye on developments :Smile:
     

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    Looks like another good overnight stop may be curtailed , know were you mean Dellwood,I have stopped there before. I used to go and wild camp at the back of the dunes at Druridge Bay but cant park there anymore { National Trust} own the land and have dug a trench along side of the track,so you can`t pull off and stop on the grass. It`s a shame as this is a really nice beach the whole area is outstandingly beautiful :thumb::thumb:
     
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    I am afraid that the efforts with the ditch at Druridge haven't stopped the fly tipping. What a mess there was the last time we were up there:Eeek:, and your right it's another beautiful spot spoiled.
     
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    Bamburgh Car parks

    Hi,

    So that you don't need to 'keep an eye on things' I am quite happy to be upfront about what we are doing. Yes, we are putting up height restriction barriers on both car parks. There is actually a sign in the second car park as well, there were new ones but some happy campers thought fit to remove them. This is a Site of Special Scientific Interest and forms part of the Cpastal Area of Outstnading Natural Beauty which has on numerous occasions been spoilt by the presence of up to 20 camper vans in this car park. There are some very well kept official sites in the vicinity and I would urge people to use them.

    Hope this clarifies the issue.

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    Chris
     
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    So now we know, not only are motor homes a blot on the landscape we will now be barred from parking in this area of outstanding beauty.Yes the camp sites in the area are very good but it still doesn`t help when your only means of transport is a motor home and you want to park up and visit for the day. Thank you bamburgh car parks for taking the time to inform us of your intentions . I wonder why i don`t bother to spend my time and money to visit the area any longer.

    (viva la France ! ) :thumb::thumb:
     
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    Isn't the point, though, that if people had only gone to park up and visit for the day there would not have been a problem?

    As Chris said, the place is not only a AONB but also a SSSI. Indiscriminate human activity overnight in an SSSI can have detrimental effects on the local wildlife and those of us who own motorhomes must understand that.

    Graham
     
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    This has very little to do with Site of Special Scientific Interest it is to do with site owner who think they are missing out, they see 20 M/H parked up and think 20x £15-£20+ not comming my way.

    I wonder if they need planning to put up barriers on a Site of Special Scientific Interest?

    How come Chrisatthecastle just happened to be on this site?

    Dave
     
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    Even if you use one of the "Local" sites, they are hardly within easy walking distance and as the car parks are now out of bounds, we would not be able to visit that particular part of Bamburgh. :Sad:
    Now I know why we are trying France for a holiday this summer :BigGrin:
     
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    Thanks for clarifying the matter. The attitude is quite clear, our money an presence is not wanted or welcome in the area. No point in visiting a place you cannot park. I'll spend my hard earned cash elsewhere. Your loss. I wildcamp, wild park or whatever you call it. Do not, will not use a site. I am not a sheep to be herded, I am a free spirit; but whilst I park free I do spend a lot in the local economy. I am of restricted mobility, so need to be where I want to be but can eat and drink for England. Hee hee.
    The general attitude to motorhomes in the UK is outdated and misguided. The French learned which side their bread was buttered on years ago.
    :Angry::Angry::Angry::Angry::Angry:
     
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    Chrisatthecastle if you are following this thread could you please tell me the height od the barrier?
    Wild camping can spoil these spots, which actually aren't wild at all, they are car parks. However to raise barriers simply shuts out legitimate visitors. What else would you all suggest?
    Violet
     
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    I do not know if chrissatthecastle income depends on visitors but if you have height barriers stopping people parking for the day to enjoy this lovely area I for one will no longer visit where I cannot park my van for the day. I have stayed on proper sites when in this area and only used carparks in the daytime but now you say I am no longer welcome in my motorhome and have put up barriers?
     
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    has chris got a motorhome and yes its just typical of england they would charge us for the air if they could so where do coaches park if anyone from other parts want to come to see our beautiful country
     
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    There is a large carpark below the castle which could be used for Coaches & I presume motorhomes, at a cost. The walk to the village is then along a narrow pathway on a very busy road. From the village you can access the Wynd & make your way to the carparks (with height barriers to be) and along to Stag Rock & the access points to the beach along the road.
    Far too far for my disabled wife to manage. :Sad:
     
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    It isn't about money though is it? The legislation surrounding AONBs and SSSIs is there to protect them for all of us, not as some sort of downer on motorhome owners.

    Chris mentioned that a sign had been removed in the second car park. Perhaps the use of the phrase "happy campers" is not the most diplomatic but would any of us condone vandalism such as that anywhere else?

    Permanent height barriers are something of a blunt instrument. Personally I would prefer to see hinged ones which could be opened to allow day visitors and closed at night. They would, of course, have to be backed up with fines because there would be bound to be a few who would not make it back in time before the barrier was closed and "have to spend the night in the van".

    The points made about going where we are welcome are valid. However, is it not part of our responsibility one for another to ensure that we go where we know we are welcome and don't just assume we are welcome because it suits us? Should we not, at least, make sure we are not breaking the law before we park up for an overnight stay?

    Graham
     
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    Firstly. Thanks for your information

    I’m assuming you don’t own a motorhome Chris but are somehow involved with the castle and the afore mentioned car parks. Most motorhomes are self contained units in that they don’t need campsite facilities. Many cost in excess of £50000 and even a 20 year old model can cost in excess of £15000. They are generally owned by wealthy middle aged to older couples and families. I am sure the main reason these Motorhomers wish to park there is to use the wonderful beach, visit Bamburgh (its pubs and shops) and of course visit the castle.

    In France last summer I visited the famous Châteaux Villandry in the Loire Valley and the even more famous Mont St Michel in Normandy. Both had car parks right outside and Motorhomes were positively welcomed to stay overnight. At Villandry they could park for free, at Mont St Michel they had to pay 8 Euros. This is typical of France and indeed most of Europe. They have the sense to put aside areas for Motorhomes to park in villages, near attractions and in towns and cities. They do this purely for Motorhomes as they are recongnised as being self contained and occupied by owners who are well behaved with money to spend. In France they are called Aires de Service. Many are free and usually there is waste disposal and water available but not always.

    There are tens of thousands of motorhomers in the UK. If you read the forums you will find that great swathes of them disappear often for long periods to the continent where our European cousins have had the foresight to recognise an opportunity and provide facilities for their needs.

    It is a while since I have been to Bamburgh and I’m not totally familiar with the car park situation anymore but it would seem to me that rather than alienate and turn away the motorhoming community you have a perfect opportunity to encourage them in a similar way to the owners of Villandry and Mont St Michel have. Even a small overnight charge would not be objected to or you could put aside half a dozen spots for vans to park and no more. To simply tell them to use campsites or prevent them from parking is not going to work and is an opportunity lost.

    I doubt this country will ever have the sense to replicate the French Aires System but individual sites that do will certainly be welcomed by the Motorhome community and will bring in visitors.

    Thanks
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    Well said Barry, what you have written here is 100% correct and would surely have the support and be echoed by every person / family that own a motorhome.

    Why oh why do some of the British local council authorities have such a tunnel view on what would be a nice little earner for the local community, they should all go down to the ferry terminals and see just how many motorhomes leave our shores taking with them lots of hard earned cash that could have been spent in their towns.
    Maybe the people that own these local businesses should be taking this up with their councils and ask why they are depriving them of this very lucrative business opportunity.
     
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    Because they are only interested in local people, because only local people can vote them in to power. Why would self serving politicians care about anyone whose vote is not within their own electoral boundary?
    The local campsite or hotel owner has got a far louder voice than you because he has got a vote there and you haven't.
     
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    Yes this is probably why but can someone explain to me why if you go to France, Germany, Italy (this list goes on) why their local councils have provided Aires just for Motorhomes?

    I can appreciate campsite owners thinking they are loosing business but they will still get caravans and tents and motorhomes who perfer campsites. The Motorhomers that choose to use Aires, Wildcamp or want to park at the Bamburgh car parks will not suddenly elect to go on the local campsite they will probably just go somewhere else. Its all about freedom of choice. I personally wont spend £25 a night on a site if I only need water and somwhere to empty the waste every 4 days. Many need to be able to park near the attractions so they can walk to see them. I need nothing else. I might however pay a fiver to use the campsite facilities for 20 minutes. Its not being tight its a principle and the joy of being independent in a motorhome. I wouldnt think twice of paying the entrance fee for the castle and then spending perhaps £50 on a meal and some gifts in Bamburgh.

    Chris, if you are reading this I and the other members would welcome your response. I promise on behalf of the funsters we wont bite your head off and the debate will be civilised. (please be nice everyone)
     
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    In my experience - and I've contacted all local authorities in England, Scotland and Wales - it's because the majority of approaches they have had from motorhome owners have been whinging and complaining rather than constructive.

    If people would contact councils in the same vein as Barry's post then it may well be that something positive would come of it. Such approaches have, after all, worked in other places already. The problem is that very, very few people are prepared to put in the effort which making, and following up, such contacts would involve.

    Graham
     
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    Isn't it mainly to do with the differences in culture between the UK and mainland European countries which have evolved over scores - or more - of years? And to do with the fact that the UK is relatively small and less rural compared to continental countries?

    We have seen on other threads in recent months (on this and other forums) that Spain and Portugal are restricting overnight stopping by motorhomes. Could this be that they are only now experiencing difficulties which the UK first experienced in the 1950s and 1960s (before most of us ever thought of buying a motorhome) so are "catching up"?

    All the more argument for responsible motorhome owners, who would like to see aire type facilities, to make contact with their local councils and see if something can be achieved so that the desire to stay off-site can be satisfied whilst special areas like SSSIs are still protected.

    Graham
     
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