Motorhome weight. Close to the limit. Help

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  1. Fragle

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    Hi all. Just been down the wheighbridge today as a final check before our first time to Europe with a motorhome. Full fuel and water, bikes and a load of bricks to cover for clothes and food. Even half filled the toilet (with fresh water I might add). Worst case scenario. We got 3 weights on the ticket and to my supprise I'm 100 kg over 3.5t and 50kg over on the rear axle.
    My question is this. Do I look a getting rid of weight and moving stuff around only half fill the water and make sure the toilet is empty and be close to the limit or upgrade the van weight
    I'm concerned that upping the weight may give us problems when travelling around France as we wish to avoid tolls and going over 3.5t may limit travelling through small villages.
    Any advice is most appreciated(y) as I've spent most of the day panicking and weighing. The only thing is swmbo cannot be left behind:smiley:
     
  2. PJGWiltshire

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    What is your intention regarding your overnight stays. If you are wild camping you are going to need water on board. If you intend to use stops planed ahead, do they have water for you to top up and put sufficient to cover the time you are staying. That way you can loose a large amount of weight with carrying just sufficient water to cover you until you stop
     
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    You could leave out some of the water and possibly even a few of the bricks and I guess you would sneak in pretty close to 3.5t certainly close enough for your trip and then think about updating when you get home. I can't see updating affecting the toll class as it seems to be height or number of axles that is the trigger, if you wanted to apply for a class 2 Toll Tag that might be different, as for 3.5tonne weight limits in villages I don't think many people worry about these too much, again as long as you are only a smudge over.
     
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    Don't take all the water, not sure how big your fresh water tank is but only fill it half or a third full. A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter - or a litre weighs a kilo.

    How many clothes and how much food are you taking? Are you sure that would weigh as much as "a few bricks"? Enough food for a day or two should be plenty! They do have food (and shops) in Europe :)
     
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  5. Fragle

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    After removing a few items that would probably never be used I think we are down to 20kg over. That's with 50% water. Not really planning to wild camp this year as we are new to this and want to see how it goes first so could lose more water
     
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    Hi Fragle,

    Don't be worried about driving a van of more than 3.5t in France we are 4t and don't use tolls never been a problem.

    You should however try and get your van within the weight limits. I would be more worried that you are exceeding the axle limit, from my understanding this is a definite no no as far as the authorities are concerned if you are weighed. You should look at how the weight is distributed and move some from the back to the front.

    If you have a lot of weight behind the rear axle even getting rid of the 100kg overall excess you have may not bring the back axle within limits.

    What van have you got?

    Lunarman
     
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    We only ever travel with 1/4 tank even fully loaded we still have 450 kg spare. We don't carry water as we only use aires and never had any probs topping up. We only travel in the winter.
    The reason we only have 1/4 of a tank is to save fuel especially going over the Pyrenees.
     
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  8. Fragle

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    Hi. Yes I've already re calculated that. I think more shopping trips may be 1 answer. I tried to get worst case scenario. It was worth doing if only to see how much we don't need:)
     
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  9. Fragle

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    Hi lunarman

    I've got an Adria coral. The rear axle is the main issue I know I need to carry 3 bikes and a dog trailer. I've been able to move some weight forward and ditch some garage rubbish. Think I'll get another check before we go.
     
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  10. Puddleduck

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    I agree. We did the same last year and then a couple of weeks ago.

    Food wise I tend to take enough for a couple of breakfasts, a few emergency tins and a prepared salad plus a hot meal in the slow cooker for when we arrive.
     
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  11. Ralph-n-Bev

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    Daft question, you said 3 bikes. So is that 3 people plus the dog. Have you included the weight of you 3 and the dog ?
     
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    I don't want to make things worse here, but you mention 3 bikes, did all three of you and the dog go to the weigh bridge?

    too slow again :D
     
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  13. Fragle

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    Hi yes 3 bikes but only 2 travelling. I have a road bike as well. Very light though (y). Other bikes are for casual rides
     
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    Hi
    Have you thought about going on SV Tech's website?
    They have a really good weight calculation for helping distribution on your axles.
    I've just uprated my GVW with them - it cost about £200 and took about a week from oaying until the new plate was sent.
    I'm still awaiting my revised logbook though from the DVLA.
    As for your current situation, I'd try and stay within the weight limit incase VOSA pulls you.
    As mentioned earlier by others, I don't think France will be fussed if you're over 3500.
     
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    Had a look on the website today. Not sure if it was a good idea. That's why I've asked the question. Would this increase the axle weight?
     
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    My Son worked this out when he was at primary school:-

    Fill your water tank to the brim, then boil it all off so that you are left with a tank full of de-hydrated water. This will also reduce the weight of gas that you are carrying. If your water tank is 250l this will save you a quarter of a tonne on it's own!
    When you get to the site you simply re-activate the tank of de-hydrated water by adding water. Job done!

    Serious now - You will need to carry some reasonable amount of water because it can be a bit of a devil for us less experienced travellers to find it when you want it. We had two trips to France over winter and of course many camp sites are closed and water is turned off at many Aires to prevent frost damage. Things probably improve after Easter.

    Be ruthless with weight saving and put more weight towards the front. I put tool kit and snow chains etc under/next to the cab seats.

    Most of all, enjoy your fist time in Europe. The roads are delightful and the freedom is addictive. Best wishes:cheers:
     
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    If you fill in the SV Tech form they will tell you what the van can be uprated to as is and what modifications will be required to raise the weight limits to a specified level.

    There are a number of factors affecting the uprating e.g. wheel and tyre size and rating, suspension type, ABS braking fitted etc.

    SV Tech are the people to ask.
     
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    Mine uprated the two rear axles (as its a tag Axle)
    What size and type of tyres are a factor as well.
    I have Avon 225/75/R16 C tyres on the front and Michelins CP on the rear.
    The CP seem better for taking more weight than the C

    Oh and by the way, vat is on top
     
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    If you're in any doubt, phone SV Tech and ask for a chap called Gareth - he's the sales manager and was very helpful
     
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    we have an Adria Coral (A660SP) & upplated to 4500kg, but it's not a five minute job.
    As you are taking a trailer, could you not shift the bikes or other weight to the trailer?
     
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