Max.permissible mass (exc. m/c)? (2 Viewers)

[Lenny HB]

Hi, I've just registered on the site (been meaning to for a while) after getting my V5C back. This is the 2nd time they've sent it back. The first time they stuffed up the revenue weight, it was still 3500. This time the revenue weight is 3650 but.... you guessed it, the MPM weight is 3500. I'm just glad I didn't pay 300 quid for the privilege via svTech lol

They always do that, took 4 months on my last van to get it right.

 

[rbvoxx]

Jokers lol. Trouble is, if you get arsy with them on the phone, I'm sure they make it take longer

 

[icantremember]

Having uprated our moho and after 3 years of getting the v5 returned numerous times with the wrong GVW, I finally contacted my MP and within a week received the correct document followed by a letter of apology and a cheque for compensation.

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[rbvoxx]

I'm impressed. I'll leave it a bit longer, contacting my local MP wasn't something that sprung to mind, but I'll keep it in reserve, cheers

 

[rbvoxx]

I called DVLA today, waited for ages whilst the lady checked with the correct department (one I am not allowed to contact directly apparently). I advised her that many people on forums have received V5C forms back with revenue weight updated, but with MPM remaining unchanged. Once she had asked the question to the department I couldn't talk to, she advised that they never change the MPM, it remains the same. She said there would be no reason why I couldn't write in and send my V5C again asking if they could change it. I've read loads of forums on this and it seems like the luck of the draw as to who processes the change. It's almost MP time lol. Or, just plead ignorance if I ever get stopped. I think this may be more of an issue if pulled over in the EU though, according to other posts.

 

[pappajohn]

Regardless of jokes about motorbikes this thread has still not explained what

(exc m/c)

means.

Put me out of my misery please.

And no, I am not going to ask DVLA - I bet half of them do not know what DVLA means.

Geoff

Put it like this.... You won't get a 3500kg motorbike.

Exc M/C means exactly that, motorcycles are totally excluded from this weight restriction.
A motorcycle V5C will never show a MPM

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[nicholsong]

Put it like this.... You won't get a 3500kg motorbike.

Exc M/C means exactly that, motorcycles are totally excluded from this weight restriction.
A motorcycle V5C will never show a MPM

So DVLA should also have put (excl. Motor Caravans), as they have not entered anything in F.1 for mine, despite having it for original registration and back for change of ownership 3 times.

Do they ever proof-read what they issue? It is a legal document and should be correct.

Geoff

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

Put it like this.... You won't get a 3500kg motorbike.

Exc M/C means exactly that, motorcycles are totally excluded from this weight restriction.
A motorcycle V5C will never show a MPM

No, but you can get close!!

 

[VXman]

May aswell update this thread. It is now 2021 and DVLA are still leaving the MPM at 3500KG. Not sure I can be bothered to correct them.

1. Revenue weight is correct.
2. The plate is what the police are likley to look at. I don't carry the V5 in the van. I might abroad but would they look or understand?
3. Does anyone ever get stopped and weighed. Very rare. (OK there may be 1 or 2 but I bet you have better chance of winning the lottery)

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[icantremember]

May aswell update this thread. It is now 2021 and DVLA are still leaving the MPM at 3500KG. Not sure I can be bothered to correct them.

1. Revenue weight is correct.
2. The plate is what the police are likley to look at. I don't carry the V5 in the van. I might abroad but would they look or understand?
3. Does anyone ever get stopped and weighed. Very rare. (OK there may be 1 or 2 but I bet you have better chance of winning the lottery)

I had exactly the same problem, so after 3 or 4 futile attempts to have it corrected I wrote to my MP and it was sorted in a few days. I subsequently received a letter of apology from DVLA along with a small cheque in compensation.
Don't let them get away with it just because they don't understand their own system.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Can European plod want to see your "log book" and would they know the difference between the categories*.

I just think that your legal registration document should be correct

*as I don't do overseas I have no idea of the requirements.

 

[VXman]

Can European plod want to see your "log book" and would they know the difference between the categories*.

I just think that your legal registration document should be correct

*as I don't do overseas I have no idea of the requirements.

In 35 years of European travel I have been stopped once, and one more time with a friend who was speeding. They will ask to see your passport and possibly driving license but I've never experienced anything else. These documents aren't consistent across Europe so I'd be surprised it your average plod would understand it and I've no awareness of a requirement to take it with you. (I many be just ignorant on this point though)

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[Richard n Ann]

No, but you can get close!!

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Is this a Goldwing without the Ferring?

 

[nicholsong]

Since this topic has been re-opened may I add what I have found out since it was aired before.

I researched the basis for ascertaining 'Revenue weight' and it boils down to the fact that it is based on MPLM.

Maybe the thinking in DVLA is that therefore the MPLM is inherently displayed by virtue of 'Revenue Weight'

There are two problems here

Firstly that may be good enough for UK Policeman or DVSA who probably know this.

Secondly, the para containing 'Revenue Weight' (cannot quote as V5C not here) is purely for UK tax purposes, which is why it is in [ ]. It does not appear on other internationally accepted registration certificates in the same format.

The consequence of second problem is that the authorities would naturally look for the MPLM, not knowing that Revenue Weight, under UK law, is based on that.

When these sort of difficulties with DVLA documentation in foreign countries is questioned with them their standard answer is "We cannot comment on the law in other countries". That is head in the sand and most unhelpful - that is my way of not breaching Forum Rules!!!!

I do not know whether it is still the case, but on another matter I tried to contact DVLA 'Legal Dept.' to be told that they do not have one and referred me to DfT Legal Dept., which when confronted with the problem promptly replied 'That is a matter for DVLA'.

DVLA are only concerned with collecting revenue, thus no legal dept, no document of title(V5c states that on the front in large type).

I see no point in the issue of a V5c if it is only for UK authorities' use, as they have access to the information on-line and it has little use internationally. To prove ownership I carry the original of the Bill of Sale

I should have written a stiff letter to the Minister for Transport, but I found another solution .I apologise for letting you all down in not tackling these issues.

Geoff

 

[Pausim]

I had the same problem a few months ago, Revenue weight 3850kg and MPM 3500kg. I used the DVLA online Complaints Procedure. Within a few days I received an apology by email and a further few days later a revised V5C with both weights showing 3850kg. I did not have to return the incorrect V5C or do anything more than complete the online form.

This is the link.

GOV.UK - Complaints

contact.dvla.gov.uk

My thanks to Minxy Girl and other funsters who drew my attention to this easy procedure.

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[Fontie]

Would you believe it old thread I know but same old DVLA just got my log book back, revenue weight 4500 max permissible weight 3500

Beggar's belief We are away soon to France/Spain not going to send log book back until our return

 

[Pausim]

Would you believe it old thread I know but same old DVLA just got my log book back, revenue weight 4500 max permissible weight 3500

Beggar's belief We are away soon to France/Spain not going to send log book back until our return

Did you remember to hand correct the max permissible mass figure? The standard form only covers the revenue weight and the max p mass relies on a hand correction, they do not assume the 2 figures are the same. Having done this mine still came back wrong but I used their online complaints procedure and within a few days they sent out a correct log book without me having to send the incorrect one back first.

GOV.UK - Complaints

contact.dvla.gov.uk

 

[Lenny HB]

Would you believe it old thread I know but same old DVLA just got my log book back, revenue weight 4500 max permissible weight 3500

Beggar's belief We are away soon to France/Spain not going to send log book back until our return

When I uprated my last van it took them over 4 months to get it right & that was in normal times.

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[nicholsong]

This thread illustrates just what I have said many times: DVLA are only concerned with tax collection, so get 'Revenue weight' correct, but are not concerned with the legality of the V5c in terms of it demonstrating the right of the vehicle to be operated in accordance with its category.

In UK it probably does not matter as the authorities know the incompetence of DVLA, but elsewhere it can be a problem.

I have many times suggested that registration of vehicles and their details be taken away from DVLA, which is an Agency of the DfT and handed to DVSA, also an Agency of DfT, because they have people who understand vehicles, construction, weights and equipment. DVSA already do certification of vehicle types and individual vehicles, and also run the MOT system. It seems to me such a logical step.

Geoff

 

[Fontie]

Did you remember to hand correct the max permissible mass figure? The standard form only covers the revenue weight and the max p mass relies on a hand correction, they do not assume the 2 figures are the same. Having done this mine still came back wrong but I used their online complaints procedure and within a few days they sent out a correct log book without me having to send the incorrect one back first.

GOV.UK - Complaints

contact.dvla.gov.uk

I've filled out the complaint form, hopefully they will send out a new V5 without the need to send this one back thus cutting time to a minimum.

Thanks for the link Pausim

 

[Lenny HB]

I've filled out the complaint form, hopefully they will send out a new V5 without the need to send this one back thus cutting time to a minimum.

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[Fontie]

Optimist

Always

 

[Fontie]

Just got a email back from SVTECH who did the paperwork saying so long as the revenue weight is correct I am good to go, I'll see what DVLA say re the complaint form I sent, if DVLA are going to send a new log book all well and good, if I have to mess about sending this one back I'll wait until we are back from Spain. I don't want to take the chance of the new log book not coming in time And if DVLA say same as SVTECH then again all well and good.

 

[nicholsong]

Just got a email back from SVTECH who did the paperwork saying so long as the revenue weight is correct I am good to go, I'll see what DVLA say re the complaint form I sent, if DVLA are going to send a new log book all well and good, if I have to mess about sending this one back I'll wait until we are back from Spain. I don't want to take the chance of the new log book not coming in time And if DVLA say same as SVTECH then again all well and good.

I did some research not long ago into the legal basis for the term 'Revenue Weight'. It is defined through a couple of steps but is ultimately based on MPM, so SVTECH are correct.

That approach would hold good in UK where this is the law.

In other countries one may be able to rely on the latest updated weight plate.

However, in countries, particularly ex-soviet ones where 'Papers. Papers' is the normal approach, and where there is no entry on their own registration documents for Revenue Weight, they might not have that understanding if the MPM is not correct.

The DVLA seem not to understand the difficulties that they may make outside the UK.

Geoff

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[Pausim]

My previous motorhome which was registered from new as a PHGV over 3500kg had the MPM left blank. I believe this is normal and perhaps why the DVLA ignore this figure when up plating.

 

[Phill D]

i just check my V5 its got the correct revenue weight but nothing in the F1 max permissible mass....

i have a photo of the original V5 @ 3500 revenue and blank Max perm mass; and the current V5 since uprating has the correct Revenue weight but a blank Mam Per mass also.

 

[Fontie]

Got reply back from DVLA complaints, they are sending out another V5.

"Thank you for your email dated 14 March 2022 regarding the above vehicle. I am the Customer Service Representative assigned to your enquiry.

I have updated the maximum permissible mass to mirror the new revenue weight for the vehicle. A replacement V5C will be issued to you. Once you receive this please destroy the previous document issued to you.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused"

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[Peregrinator]

Guess what? it is now 28-04-2022, and same happened to me, wanted to go from 3500 to 3700, came back revenue weight 4500, MPM 3500, I am now once again going to change from 3700 to 3850, because I have now changed to air assist suspension, We will see.

 

[sonar]

If the mam section 7.1 has nothing on it does it really matter

revenue weight is correct at 3500.