Leveling ?

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  1. Alistair33

    Alistair33 Read Only Funster

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    As a follow on question from, When size matters and becomes an issue .... ?, I have another question regarding leveling a MH on site.

    Looking at brochures I’ve not seen any reference to auto levelers or even wind down ‘stays’ to act as levelers on MH. Although I have seen them as aftermarket items

    Is this not an issue or is it dealt with in a different manner ?

    Alistair
     
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    denisejoe Funster Life Member

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    Wind down stays are only to stabalise the MH and are not on all MHs. We have them but never use them. You level a MH by using ramps, there are several different makes but we prefer the Milenco Quatros which are higher than most.

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    We have the ramps, which are all well and good, but as is known by @Mr Mousy and @Popeye I have serious hydraulic levellers envy.....:envy:
     
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    We have ramps but rarely need to use them although we don't have a snooker table so don't have to be that level. :)
     
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    As long as you are parked within the level tolerances of your fridge you should be OK. Most people use ramps to achieve this. Others use hydraulic rams some use whatever is at hand. :)


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    We used to use ramps but now have hydraulics they are great although expensive mainly because they stabilise the van there is no movement once elevated. You can have them fitted as extras on new vans.
     
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    We've got the "inferior" Fiamma levelling ramps but seldom ever use them.

    As long as the fridge works and nothing slides off the table it's level enough for me.
     
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    Levelling is not an issue for new van owners. Its the poor so and so who buys the van in later years that pays the price of poor levelling. It takes time for the fridge gasses to separate through being off level, so its never found until the van is a few years old. I have forgotten how many times I have had to lay out another £700 or so on a new fridge for a van thats never been levelled.
     
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    For those that think levelling does not affect the fridge. The gas jet in a condenser fridge is minute, so minute that sticking a pin in it to clean it will destroy it. The flame is only small, but creates a lot of heat. This flame is in a small tube or chimney, so image what will happen if after you light a candle, you then tip it at an angle. It will not burn correctly. Now, imagine an old oil lamp with glass funnel chimney. When lit and you tipped it only slightly to one side. The glass would blacken and eventually possibly break. When you run a fridge on gas when it is off level, the chimney soots up, and it does not work well. The fridge thermostat tries to compensate for this by turning the gas up, that over a period of time boils the gasses and destroys the fridge. How many times do we have threads by people whos fridge will not work on gas only to find its sooted up. Do the next owner a favour and park it level.
     
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    In addition to Daves good advice..

    irrespective of LPG/12v/240v it has to be 'reasonably level' to operate properly.. if it is out of level it is also possible to damage the ammonia boiler as the liquid ammonia will not be at the correct level..

    From Dometic


    absorption cooling system

    In an absorption refrigerator system, ammonia is liquid in the finned condenser coil at the top rear of the refrigerator. The liquid ammonia then flows into the evaporator (inside the freezer section) and is exposed to a circulating flow of hydro- gen gas, which causes the ammonia to evaporate, creating a cold condition in the freezer.

    When starting this refrigerator for the very first time, the coolling cycle may require up to four hours of running time before the cooling unit is fully operational. The tubing in the evaporator section is specially sloped to provide a continuous movement of liquid ammonia, flowing downward by gravity through this section.

    Levelling the refrigerator

    Leveling is one of the requirements for proper operation with absorption refrigerators. To ensure proper leveling the vehicle needs to be leveled so it is comfortable to live in (no noticeable sloping of floor or walls).

    Any time the vehicle is parked for several hours with the refrig- erator operating, the vehicle should be leveled to prevent this loss of cooling.
     
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    I bought a small spirit level at the Peterborough motorhome show for a Quid and the dealer gave us a set of fiamma ramps in a sturdy nylon case that seem to do the job fine.

    The fridge seems happy enough and SWMBO has not rolled out of bed yet!
     
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    Wow that looks scary!!!!
     
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    Never mind the fridge, I need it level for my hiatus hernia. :sick:
     
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    Have you got room under your van to attach them as Cliff has done - no need for bags and doesn't matter if they get muddy!
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    good idea.. and yes, probably have room..
    only problem I see with that idea is they will be dirty when you go to use them..

    at present mine live in one of the small side lockers .. between the double floor .. and if dirty, washed before storing
     
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    Cliff's never been a fan of bags (ask @Mousy !) so his idea was to keep them outside, so he would never have to wash them and put them into the bags to store inside - win win situation in his mind - and as it would probably be me who would have to hose them off, its a win win for me too!

    They took up so much space in our locker, so to have them outside is a really good way to carry them. (y)
     
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    Many thanks for all your answers and suggestions it leaves me with a dilemma though the price of hydrolics seems rather offputting
     
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    what is the dilemma ?

    99% of European motorhomes don't have hydraulic levellers..

    Most pitches are reasonably flat.. as are nearly all aires.. in the past year touring I've only needed my Milenco levellers a couple of times.

    Hydraulic are expensive, heavy ( lost payload ) and not without problems.. (see other thread)

    Originally fitted to heavy USRVs which have plenty of payload and made it easy to level a big heavy motorhome .. I tried using Fiamma ramps with an RV and it crushed them.

    A nice toy .. easy to level without fuss ... and useful for servicing the brakes .. but IMV.. completely unnecessary on a small euro motorhome
     
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    If you have just spent £15k or £20k on a first van to see if you like the lifestyle then spending another £5k on hydraulic levelling could be concidered a little silly, on the other hand if you have ploughed good money into the van you know is right for you and you are keeping for a long time the I don't think a £5k upgrade on hydraulic levelling is a bad idea, in fact I think it's a great idea as they are brilliant.

    Martin
     
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