I'm worrying about weight now..... (1 Viewer)

[Luvin156]

......and I hadn't even got a MH yet.
I am restricted to 3500kg due to MH licence and after reading a few posts on here it looks like I may have to reconsider what I'm looking for.

I'm looking for at least a 4birth I will be travelling with my wife, teenager and 8 year old. I'm about 100kg on my own (Might have to go on a diet) From what I can gather I will be using half the payload on us, leaving very little for water clothing and the rest we will be needing.

Has anyone else had these issues and how do you he over them? Oram I looking at it all wrong?

Thanks for any advice

Paul

 

[peterc10]

But that doesn't tell me what the sides are made of/coated in ...

The sides are grey. The point is that the 30kg addition for the grey version is probably mainly for the additional bonded layer of white GRP/ABS on the roof that the grey version needs which the white (standard) version does not.

 

[Judge Mental]

I know it takes about 250kgs of paint to respray a 747 Jumbo .
Does that help?
Mind you I don't think that's metallic paint.

Regards Steve

great example of why i love this forum...a laugh round every corner

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[Minxy]

This thread has gone on for so long ... I've forgotten what the original questions was!!!

 

[Ralph-n-Bev]

And the original poster hasn't registered on fun. ( yet )

 

[Chris]

I rang today and apparently I can't upgrade the weight without having air suspension ( or something like that) fitted to the van.

It sounded expensive so I stopped listening

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[Larrynwin]

Assuming a 7m long Hymer has an area of approx 50m2 and 1litre of cellulose metallic has a coverage of say 10m2 then it follows that at 1kg per litre one coat equals 5kg. How many coats ?

WTF am I on about

 

[Ralph-n-Bev]

I rang today and apparently I can't upgrade the weight without having air suspension ( or something like that) fitted to the van.

It sounded expensive so I stopped listening

I remember Ralph upgrading tyres, suspension and something else (I think ) when he ordered the base vehicle, now known as Pug.
He had every intention of doing it. Not wanting to worry about what he was putting into his build weight wise.
Knowing he likes to take plenty beer.....................

 

[peterc10]

Assuming a 7m long Hymer has an area of approx 50m2 and 1litre of cellulose metallic has a coverage of say 10m2 then it follows that at 1kg per litre one coat equals 5kg. How many coats ?

WTF am I on about

Larry see posts #84 & #91. It is probably not about the paint.

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[Judge Mental]

A typo on one page for one year? maybe. But this is on multiple pages for multiple years. Very very unlikely.

The top of the roof section of my grey Hymer has an additional white layer of what appears to be ABS (or maybe GRP) bonded on top what is the otherwise grey GRP sandwich roof. It is there to provide a reflective coating to prevent thermal gain. If the whole roof section was made in white (as the standard ones are) you would see it because the junction between roof and side sections is about 6" down from the roof. My guess is that is why they add the white as an additional layer over part but not all of the roof section. And I suspect the vast majority of the additional 30kg is the weight of that additional layer

Hymer as standard alloy body and roof this why there are so many hail damaged examples on German websites. The grp roof is a paid for heavier extra. I prefer full grp like euro Mobil. Don't look as smooth but alloy shows up ever tiny knuckle dents..hopeless!

They use it as it's lighter.....

 

[peterc10]

Hymer as standard alloy body and roof this why there are so many hail damaged examples on German websites. The grp roof is a paid for heavier extra. I prefer full grp like euro Mobil. Don't look as smooth but alloy shows up ever tiny knuckle dents..hopeless!

They use it as it's lighter.....

Depends upon model Eddie. The B class has a GRP roof as standard. The difference is mine appears to have two layers of it!

 

[Judge Mental]

Depends upon model Eddie. The B class has a GRP roof as standard. The difference is mine appears to have two layers of it!

Fair comment Peter

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[Larrynwin]

The sides are grey. The point is that the 30kg addition for the grey version is probably mainly for the additional bonded layer of white GRP/ABS on the roof that the grey version needs which the white (standard) version does not.

I have the white version and it has the additional bonded layer .

 

[peterc10]

I have the white version and it has the additional bonded layer .

Now that is interesting, because in that case its not that layer that accounts for the extra weight of the grey paint option.

 

[Larrynwin]

Now that is interesting, because in that case its not that layer that accounts for the extra weight of the grey paint option.

Be interesting to know how many coats of paint and possibly a primer are added. At a kilo a litre soon reach 30kg

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[peterc10]

Be interesting to know how many coats of paint and possibly a primer are added. At a kilo a litre soon reach 30kg

Don't know how it is done, but it is all done before the thing is put together. Photos of the production line show it on the panels before assembly.

 

[Judge Mental]

Be interesting to know how many coats of paint and possibly a primer are added. At a kilo a litre soon reach 30kg

From memory? the grp roof adds 35 kg alone. @Lenny HB Mr hymer on here he will confirm

Being restricted to 3500 I was talking about lightweight Exsis-i models earlier.

I think we have scared the OP off! Probably bought some tents!lol

 

[Lenny HB]

Yep GRP roof adds 30kg to an Exsis.

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[peterc10]

Yes but if the standard white one has a GRP roof that does not explain how choosing the Grey metallic paint increases the weight by 30kg.

 

[Judge Mental]

and round and round we go!

I put it down to the climate.....

 

[Larrynwin]

and round and round we go!

I put it down to the climate.....

Better all vote Green Party

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[peterc10]

Hmmmmm. There seems to be more than a bit of imprecision in Hymer's quoted figures. Checking their 2015 figures. They quote the same 30kg figure for optional GRP roof from the 5.5m narrow bodied C class Hymer Van to the 7.8m Hymer ML-I A class. Seems unlikely they both have the same roof area. And similar applies to the figure for grey paint (again 30kg) - no difference between large and small models at all.

 

[Minxy]

Hmmmmm. There seems to be more than a bit of imprecision in Hymer's quoted figures.

Well I never ... Hymer figures wrong ... knock me over with a soggy newspaper!

 

[Lenny HB]

Well I never ... Hymer figures wrong ... knock me over with a soggy newspaper!

At least they err on the side of caution and put the max, their vans appear to be the only ones that come out of the factory at under the stated MIRO.

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[StitchesnFluff]

At least they err on the side of caution and put the max, their vans appear to be the only ones that come out of the factory at under the stated MIRO.

Yes I agree. Have been able, with confidence to use their figures re add ons etc, ie tow bar. Got this experience with the exsis so that helped me with working out payload on the new one.

 

[vin0114]

Paul, you're very wise to be concerned about the payload in a 3.5t 4 berth van. I had serious weight issues with a 1976 Hymer 584 when I visited a weighbridge and got a shock. So I brought everything out, removed 'just in case duplicates' and weighed what was left and it still came to 150 kilos! My present 6m van Autocruise Rhythm Conversion 3.5t claims 637 kilos payload but I've not weighed it yet fully loaded.

 

[MitchandJenny]

Hi "Luvin156".....
Go naturist mate !!!
No need for loads of clothes !!!!
Mitch.. .
PS.. There ARE lots of more sensible suggestions on here ((Fortunately)).. But most do seem obsessed with the weight of their paint.
I suggest you pay a subscription and join this club, as it is the fount of all knowledge with regards to motorhomes and enjoying them etc !!!!
Mitch.

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[ianandkath]

pass your hgv and buy a rv, no prob with weight ever

 

[GWAYGWAY]

There is going to be a hell of a lot of unhappy people who cannot sell their vans, I cannot understand why they had to change the rules on lightweight lorries, 7.5 tonner is not big or difficult to drive, and I did it for years when I was younger off and on for the company. This problem of having to have a full commercial licence just for the matter of a few kilos, and the almost impossibility of keeping them legal at 3500kgs and still putting the family in it.. The makers are VERY good at hiding the weights the van ACTUALLY IS. and giving all manner of spurious figures, My chausson was originally brought onto the market as sub 3500 kgs and it was but the payload was 160kgs They HAD to uprate it to 3860 to sell any of them One dealer was forced to take it back for that reason when he sold it at the original weight. All the bits that go into a van detract from the payload left, I have sold mine now as I am not able to drive it after my 70th birthday without a medical which I would find impossible to pass and yet I can drive one a couple of kilos lighter but otherwise the same. I am not going to be driving 8 hours a day for weeks and weeks, just a leisure van for a trip here or there. Why not a Leisure licence???? Surely THEY can see there is a total difference between the two. It may be an EEC homologation exercise to fit all into the same size bottle.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Be interesting to know how many coats of paint and possibly a primer are added. At a kilo a litre soon reach 30kg

I would paint the Forth Bridge with that much paint, It goes an awful long way if done properly. The 30 kilos is mostly the GRP roof and a bit of paint. For gooness sake I weigh 67kgs and I am a short fat hairy thing, I cannot imagine picking up that much paint and having to get it an inch thick over a roof panel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

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[gus-lopez]

I would paint the Forth Bridge with that much paint, It goes an awful long way if done properly. The 30 kilos is mostly the GRP roof and a bit of paint. For gooness sake I weigh 67kgs and I am a short fat hairy thing, I cannot imagine picking up that much paint and having to get it an inch thick over a roof panel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Nah ,you need a bit more. 80,000litres a coat x 3 coats. just over 1m2 per litre.