First trip - France to portugal (1 Viewer)

[Forestboy]

Just a quick update

All The Aires (North & South) ordered, Michelin road atlas of France ordered, and Rough Guide to France also ordered. I'll get the Spain and Portugal books after we return from our dip-our-feet-in-the-water trip to France in October.

So a couple more questions but I'll do a search first and if I can't find the answer I'll start a new thread.

Thank you for all your help, it is much appreciated.

KH

Thats all you need then you're good to go as they say.
Just don't forget your sense of humour.
Have fun

 

[SUE L]

I used vicarious bookshop online and they have a load of books to help you on your way The Acsi has a lot going for it including maps I know you will find. Something on their site www.Vicarious-Shop.com
Enjoy your journey

 

[bigtree]

Can never understand why you would buy from Vicarious when you buy direct from ACSI,this year we have purchased the Camper Contact app which has proved great value for money being able to use it offline.

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[Speve]

Can never understand why you would buy from Vicarious when you buy direct from ACSI,this year we have purchased the Camper Contact app which has proved great value for money being able to use it offline.

Vicarious usually have the books available before ACSI send theirs to direct clients.

 

[bigtree]

Vicarious usually have the books available before ACSI send theirs to direct clients.

At a premium,no thanks.

 

[Speve]

At a premium,no thanks.

What's the difference in price? I have checked We paid £14.44 delivered Vic books.
ACSI £13.55.
Can't buy much for a pound these days.

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[denisejoe]

We use camperstop has more Aires than all the Aires and it covers all of Europe it's also cheaper to order directly from camperstop, the app is useful

Joe

 

[TerryL]

What's the difference in price? I have checked We paid £14.44 delivered Vic books.
ACSI £13.55.
Can't buy much for a pound these days.

Think you may find that's €13.55 = £10.85 at current rate.

We only paid about £9, but £/€ rate was much better (worse?) then.

But each to his own.

 

[MR. FUSION]

On the other hand we never used toll roads when in Portugal. Yes some of the roads are bumpy and rough, but in other places you will find good quality "B roads" that are much smoother and wider than ours.

which ones ? Because I never found one!!

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[JJ]

which ones ? Because I never found one!!

No point in letting you know!

You won't be using them...


JJ

 

[MR. FUSION]

You may wish to reconsider the toll roads in Portugal, the non-tolled roads are poorly maintained, and the Portuguese are insane drivers. It is now fairly straight forward to register for the electronic SCUT tolls.
I would second those who are endorsing downloading POI's to your sat nav. We have a large database of airres on ours, so when we find a place we like, I just look for ones that are close by

Having left Portugal a few weeks ago I second that. The non toll roads are pretty awful, if the surface is not pot holed, the drains are collapsing or both. I used the toll roads to go through the mountains and when it was raining, as I did not fancy my chances in those conditions with cornflake packet licensed drivers, some of the worst roads in Europe and some of the worse maintained cars in Europe.

 

[bigtree]

What's the difference in price? I have checked We paid £14.44 delivered Vic books.
ACSI £13.55.
Can't buy much for a pound these days.

Think I paid about £10.50 direct.

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[MR. FUSION]

No point in letting you know!

You won't be using them...


JJ

It would no doubt help others if anyone could point out the good roads !!!

 

[bigtree]

Having left Portugal a few weeks ago I second that. The non toll roads are pretty awful, if the surface is not pot holed, the drains are collapsing or both. I used the toll roads to go through the mountains and when it was raining, as I did not fancy my chances in those conditions with cornflake packet licensed drivers, some of the worst roads in Europe and some of the worse maintained cars in Europe.

Ta Ta,I love Portugal.

 

[gus-lopez]

Nice simple route . E15 starts in Inverness & follow all the way to portugal
You've only go the bit from Algeciras into Portugal to get over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E15

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[MR. FUSION]

Ta Ta,I love Portugal.

Not surprised.....like peas in a pod

 

[bigtree]

Nice simple route . E15 starts in Inverness & follow all the way to portugal
You've only go the bit from Algeciras into Portugal to get over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_route_E15

Or reverse in the case of Camp Cola.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Or reverse in the case of Camp Cola.

Remind me not to ask you to navigate.......

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[bigtree]

Not surprised.....like peas in a pod

The country is nothing to do with the roads,it's about the people, the culture,history and landscape.If you don't like it,there are lots of other people that do.We came to Portugal 34 years ago on our honeymoon and liked the country and have visited it quite a number of times since.I don't know where you live in Glasgow or near there but I live in a high amenity area near to Glasgow and the roads aren't much better than here.One thing is certain,when I come here I enjoy it which you obviously didn't.Glad our paths didn't cross.

 

[MR. FUSION]

The country is nothing to do with the roads,it's about the people, the culture,history and landscape.If you don't like it,there are lots of other people that do.We came to Portugal 34 years ago on our honeymoon and liked the country and have visited it quite a number of times since.I don't know where you live in Glasgow or near there but I live in a high amenity area near to Glasgow and the roads aren't much better than here.One thing is certain,when I come here I enjoy it which you obviously didn't.Glad our paths didn't cross.

I think you are making a LOT of assumptions.....but you knock yourself out mate, obviously being with miserable people suits you, miserable that is unless of course you are putting money in their hands....enjoy.

 

[bigtree]

I can only go on what you have previously posted and you come across as a grumpy,bitter individual that I would rather not meet,so here endeth this conversation.

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[MR. FUSION]

I can only go on what you have previously posted and you come across as a grumpy,bitter individual that I would rather not meet,so here endeth this conversation.

oh...so you are in charge of the thread now bye bye

 

[peterc10]

which ones ? Because I never found one!!

Well, now you know I never made an exact note of them, but then maybe we travelled different roads to you.

But from memory the 246 from Marvao to Elvas was good. And then there was the roads we took from Elvas towards Monsaraz, I think they were the 373 and 255. After that we had a bit of a rough ride of some of the IP2 as we headed south. But, again from memory it got better further South on the N2. And, again from memory, the roads in the far South West we took into and out of Sagres were pretty good too. Of course parts of the 125 through the Algarve were pretty rough, especially in the East, but it seemed to get better the further West we went.

Maybe we were just lucky?

 

[irnbru]

If so probably better get one of these as well.

Just goes to show how prices can fluctuate. This is either a different item nowadays , bearing in mind the original post was last August or the seller is having a laugh at that price.Over £50 for a tap connector..no thanks.

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[denisejoe]

Halfrauds should sell you 2 triangles as you will need 2in at least one country

Joe

 

[peterc10]

Just goes to show how prices can fluctuate. This is either a different item nowadays , bearing in mind the original post was last August or the seller is having a laugh at that price.Over £50 for a tap connector..no thanks.

Just noticed the price now, which I agree is absolutely daft. It wasn't that back in August last year when I recommended it!!

The problem is that most of the ones you get (like Hozelock) only have the two sizes - 1/2" and 3/4". The 3/4" one is the most common and I have never yet come across a tap with the 1/2" one. But some larger taps use 1" ones, and the adapter for that is more difficult to find, although you can buy it here. I may well buy one of those to add to my collection as I left one of my favourite ones on a tap somewhere in Italy.

Don't worry about buying imperial sizes for use in Europe - they seem to be universal as they have fitted all the tap threads that I have come across in France, Spain, Portugal and Italy.

 

[JJ]

It would no doubt help others if anyone could point out the good roads !!!

A week or so ago, I travelled from Silves to Ansiao in my 1987 Hymer 660S on non toll roads. I don't drive more than 80 kph.

I went via Pego da Altar (Alçacer do Sal), Montemor, Coruche, Almerim and Tomar.

It was a total of around 425 kilometres.

With the exception of a couple of kilometres near Grandola where the underground tree roots give the road maintenance people real headaches, the road surfaces were more than adequate for smooth, comfortable travel. Many kilometres of road (eg Tomar to Ansiao) have been resurfaced within the last year or two.

When I was working, I used the toll motorways often and these are far, far, far better than those in Blighty and, out of rush hours, nearly empty. In 16 years I have never ever been stuck in motorway jams as you appear to get everyday in the UK.

Mr Campa Cola seems to have had a bad experience in Portugal and, obviously, won't be returning!

I am not sure exactly what these were and, frankly, I am not interested.

But, as he seems interested in me letting other Funsters know stuff, I would like to say I find Portugal to suit me perfectly... the rural areas (where I live) are charmingly shabby, and old fashioned, just as I remember England to be in the 50s.

The cities have their huge new shopping centres as well as their centuries old historical sections.

The weather is superb with the odd rainy times (like it is here now) but normally wall to wall, Man City Blue skies and sunshine.

But the main plus for me is the wonderful friendliness and helpful nature of the locals. Practically every time I have dealings with the Portuguese they go out of their way to help me out.

I could go on and on and on but my single typing finger is tired...

JJ

PS. There are quite a few beautiful, environment friendly, wind generators in small groups of two or three dotted around...

PPS. Mr Peterc10, the 125 in the Algarve has had large sections of it repaired (Faro to Portimao and onwards) since December and work continues to improve it all.

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[peterc10]

@JJ - good to hear that they are improving the 125. Is it true that they have cancelled the toll on the motorway in Algarve now?

We liked Portugal when we were there and we will be going back.

 

[JJ]

The tolls are not going to be cancelled but are going to be reduced...

This will take the govetnment some time to sort out!

JJ

 

[MR. FUSION]

A week or so ago, I travelled from Silves to Ansiao in my 1987 Hymer 660S on non toll roads. I don't drive more than 80 kph.

I went via Pego da Altar (Alçacer do Sal), Montemor, Coruche, Almerim and Tomar.

It was a total of around 425 kilometres.

With the exception of a couple of kilometres near Grandola where the underground tree roots give the road maintenance people real headaches, the road surfaces were more than adequate for smooth, comfortable travel. Many kilometres of road (eg Tomar to Ansiao) have been resurfaced within the last year or two.

When I was working, I used the toll motorways often and these are far, far, far better than those in Blighty and, out of rush hours, nearly empty. In 16 years I have never ever been stuck in motorway jams as you appear to get everyday in the UK.

Mr Campa Cola seems to have had a bad experience in Portugal and, obviously, won't be returning!

I am not sure exactly what these were and, frankly, I am not interested.

But, as he seems interested in me letting other Funsters know stuff, I would like to say I find Portugal to suit me perfectly... the rural areas (where I live) are charmingly shabby, and old fashioned, just as I remember England to be in the 50s.

The cities have their huge new shopping centres as well as their centuries old historical sections.

The weather is superb with the odd rainy times (like it is here now) but normally wall to wall, Man City Blue skies and sunshine.

But the main plus for me is the wonderful friendliness and helpful nature of the locals. Practically every time I have dealings with the Portuguese they go out of their way to help me out.

I could go on and on and on but my single typing finger is tired...

JJ

PS. There are quite a few beautiful, environment friendly, wind generators in small groups of two or three dotted around...

PPS. Mr Peterc10, the 125 in the Algarve has had large sections of it repaired (Faro to Portimao and onwards) since December and work continues to improve it all.

If I ever feel the need to find the rural Portuguese locals that don't run into houses and put their shutters down when we turn up I'll definitely ask you to show me some
BTW the only toll motorway I have used in the UK (M6 toll) was the same, far far better than those in Portugal and empty.

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