BIO or NON BIO for toilets

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  1. DavidG58

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    sorry about this inevitable repeat query

    we have moved off blue / green stuff for our toilet due mainly to issues with disposal in remote locations

    I was convinced that the guidance was to use non bio liquids, now wonder if I got that wrong and bio is OK

    my presumption is that it should be non bio due to septic tank and similar receptical issues

    if it ends up down an elsan it will make no difference I presume, and once diluted by 100 litres of 'contents' in our black tank does it make any odds at all? ::bigsmile:
     
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    Hi David

    I think it's Bio but I could be wrong. I'm not even sure what I use as I usually buy it in France and not quite sure what I am buying.

    Martin
     
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    the idea is to use bio as the active ingredient naturally consumes the smelling microbes. non bio uses chemicals to do the same so not as green friendly and less effective

    septic tanks use natural microbes
     
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    Hi David,
    Like Martin I'm sure it is Bio.
    There have been many threads on this subject. Might be worth a search(y)
     
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    We buy this stuff, looks expensive at first but we buy a case and the sachets last for ever...............more important they actually work.(y)
    http://www.vancomfort.co.uk/Bio-Pak50.htm

    Finally they are OK for use in Scandinavia, which does it for me.
     
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    Bio stops those nasty niffs!
     
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    Tesco bio washing liquid works for us.
     
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    yet another thing I seem to have got completely back to front

    Bio sounds worse than non Bio, I thought I was doing my little bit for the environment, is Bio better than non Bio, other than smell control?

    You will tell me next that my 3.0 litre is less economic than a 2.3 litre :D
     
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    I'm getting confused with negatives an positive negs, all I can add, being (apart from other construction works) is an installer or fosse septic systems. And if the user of a fosse septic is on a course of anti biotic it can cause the system to fail,
     
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    Biological washing powders and liquids contain enzymes that breakdown dirt (proteins, starches and fats). In your loo cassette, it seems to break down poo and urine and reduces the smells to such an extent that we don't need to empty the loo until it is full (two or three days) rather than once a day if we don't use the bio liquid.
     
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    Septic tank owners will not thank you for emptying your cassette into their system if you have used formaldehyde type products.
     
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    Seconded, but also many places in Germany and (in my experience) 'everywhere' in Scandinavia.
     
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    I am still as confused as when I started, does non bio have formaldehyde? I thought that was in the blue and green stuff that we have abandoned

    Is non bio worse for septic tanks than bio?

    It just doesn't sound right?

    non bio is all you can buy from the eco sellers
     
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    Bio is better for washing some items and can operate at lower temperatures 30-40oc so you will reduce your energy use. Temperatures above this may damage the enzyme (denature it) so they stop working (permanently) and temperatures below may inactivate the enzyme so it does not work so effectively.
     
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    Bio(logical) - it eats it....
     
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    No, non bio liquid doesn't have formaldehyde.

    I don't know why the Eco sellers don't sell bio liquid.
     
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    just about every campsite i know in devon and cornwall that are of any size . have a seperate emtying place for chemical toilets . they get emptied by tankers and then taken to sewage works that treat it differently to plain sewage . i have come across a few campsite private sewage works spoilt by campers not tipping in the right place . can cost thousands and thousands to get the works going again . very often draining . cleaning and bringing in good sewage to get them working again . spent weeks towing and froing with one in cornwall . felt quite sorry for the campsite managers .
     
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    David as Bio is acceptable in Germany and Scandinavia then it is formaldehyde free, and vwalan's post is also a good pointer.(y)
     
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    :clap::clap:

    Hi Alan

    I have seen many a similar problem in Yorkshire and Cumbria with Blue elsan completely wiping out small sewage works, we do flow surveys on them and often get employed to carry out flow checks when camp sites might be 'inadvertently' sending blue elsan waste direct to sewage works

    As you say it really is important if the site says no chemicals it is for good reason, they are 'lethal' to small treatment systems that are usually associated with nice rural spots we like to use

    A point well made and fully endorsed by me:clap:
     
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    i have to say i found working in the sewage game very interesting . i also did some work with fresh water works . i always asked questions . wish i had been more interested in science at school . it was very interesting . learnt lots . specialy when the scientist found out i visited morocco alot . thats one of the reasons i use the berkfeld ceramic filter system with silver inlay as my water filteration system . silver is the worlds best purifier.
     
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