Are you loaded properly

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  1. lorger

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    Hi
    While waiting for Lorraine to finnish work today i popped in to wh smith and had a read at motor caravan mag and a report in it said that the vosa had found 80% of all motorhomes it had stopped where over their overall limit or single axle limit i thought this sounded a bit high but scary.

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  2. Geo

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    It is high, too high, and the reason for it is, European manufacturers simply build on the wrong vehicles:Eek!: leaving pitiful and woefully inadequate payloads hence 80% are overloaded
    Ive even read of brand new empty motor homes going straight from the dealers to the weigh bridge with just the driver and being ON the limit:Doh:
     
  3. vwalan

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    unfortunately due to euro licencing and now ours it doesnt make sense for camper manufacturers to build on over 3.5ton vans. i think campers needatleast 4.5 or more . i just wrote on other post i like the renault mascot goes up to 6.5ton ideal and rear wheel drive. its the max gross weight that vosa know its hard not to break. if you talk to vosa in cornwall they are always picking up campers just down the road from me .atleast twice a month in summer. cheers alan.
     
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    Hi Gerry,
    I would have thought this area was obvious. Overloading is a serious offence and people have been fined lots of dosh as a consequence.
    In the paper an English chap was reported to have been overloaded on one axle near Alicanti and was fined on the spot 3500 Euros by police. They took him to a bank to get the funds sorted, he then paid by credit card. The local police said to the reporter he may get some money back for a lesser offence.
    The ironical part of this is that they allow the van the continue on his way.
    Having first read the report I thought it might be a scam until I read that the reporter had investigated
    Ron W
     
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    Anybody remember the name of the company in Leyland who replate vehicles?:thanks2:
     
  6. vwalan

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    hi, have you tried SV TEC . you need to speak to gareth marsh. got there no. but cant find it .google them. you could try asking at your local dvla sometimes its a paper exersize and you cando it there .cheers alan
     
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    wow :Eeek:
    how many kitchen sinks do you need for a camping [away from it all???] lifestyle
     
  8. vwalan

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    hi twooks. i very often carry a couple small m.bikes lots grub .if you are going into morocco for 3 mnths you need plenty of wine ,beer etc .could be 250 ltr of wine between us. 150ltr beer. plus all the other bits you cant get there .also generators tools welders . spare parts tyres. it goes on . try going away for 6mths and weigh your van if its got a weight of less than 3.5 you struggle. then you need lots of spare for coming home . i have 500ltr fuel tanks 200 ltr fresh water . coming home is worse hardly buy wine or beer here if i can help it +spirits. soon all mounts up . thats why vosa are out there ,try getting into switzerland theyvery often weigh you at the border , then you have to unload to carry on. you only get stopped n weighed once to know you need more capacity. visit your local weigh bridge when you have loaded to go on holiday , you may be suprised. cheers alan.
     
  9. haganap

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    I know me and Alan have been here before,

    SV TECH are the guys to get the job done.

    I have gone from 3.5t up to 4.2t in what seemed to me nothing more than a paper exercise. It was not for safety merely to satisfy the law.

    Still its done now and for the peace of mind of £230 its been well worth it.:thumb:

    I have always wondered something though,. I often find meself up a 3.5t road, whats the punishment for being too big when traveling up a road for 3.5t and under?
     
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    hi, the reason i am so anal if you like about weight. i was involved in a fatal accident in 2001 ,a car driver had a heart attack ,hit me head on at a terrific speed .iwas in a big truck .we were on a 3 lane road. it took my front wheel off (broke the wheel),fuel tanks and bent the rear wheel . i tried to climb the verge on the left side of road. it span me across the road over the bonnet of a volvo car into a lamp post .then another car hit the left hand side. i suffered a dislocated shoulder and minor injury. the driver of the first car lost engine box in fact it was carnage the bonnet came round and cut him in half. the road was blocked for 11hours .luckily no one else was hurt. vosa spent days going through all the vehicles luckily no faults. imagine if i had been overloaded. or had bad brakes or something. actually i was comended in the inquest for driving up the bank. i still have occasional thoughts of what happened see the people in the car i went over.the father was a doctor he looked after me and went to see the other driver ,too late for him,. if you are overloaded you could end up with no insurance and even if its not your fault blame gets put on you. could be said to be a cause of the accident . thats why i say have a bigger payload than you need ,it is a safety issue . i know sometimes its only a paper issue .but in law its your fault. i have spent many years looking after trucks commercially and have spent lots of time understanding transport law. you have to understand it to manage commercial operations. dont fall foul of the rules they dont like it. hope thats of some use to you ,sorry to go on but i think its important. have fun cheers alan.
     
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    Not picking on you but therein lies the problem.

    As has been said (many times) before, alot of euro's have a low payload, I've read of 195kgs on one occation.

    What alot of people don't seem to get is everything adds up, a knife and fork don't weigh much, but what about the full set plus 'sharp' knives, mabey a corkscrew, bottle opener, can opener, scissors etc etc etc.

    Traveling with water in the tank, that seriously weighs, maybe you don't but what about the bottle/s in the cupboard, the milk, cheese etc etc in the fridge, it may seem insignificant but it all adds up and as you've read quickly exceeds many 'vans payload.

    And remember, the listed payload is one thing but what extras have been added since, before you even start with your own goodies??

    Alan has a good point, the base vehicles/plating often isn't up to what people want and the people don't realise then the get fined.
     
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    Overloading

    SV Tech replated my Peugeot Boxer M/H about 9 years ago.
    At the time It was increased from 3.2 T to 3.8T and was fitted with Air Rides to take the rear end weight of a scooter. This decreased the pressure on the rear springs and levelled out the van. Checking the tyres it was also obvious that the originals, fitted with the vehicle, were too low on capacity to take the increased weight. The tyres , 195's were increased to 225's to take the load especially on the rear axle.
    All in all the cost was approx £1100 for SV and about £400 for replacement tyres, I did sell the existing tyres that had only done 1000 mile.
    Ron W
     
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    Just had our 3.5t up-plated to 3.85t.

    John
     
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    hi jaydee, is it being too rude to ask how much they charged .or did you do it another way?i know on some trucks its a case of altering bump stopsor extra leaves in springs. i imagine in your case it was justa paper exercise.i believe 3.5 up is easierthan3,2 because of the suspension. we would all like to know what they do to which vehicler i,m sure. cheers aln.
     
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    With carrying a motorbike I needed to know the axel weights (although I didn't really need to know, it amazes me how many people get through life, not knowing anything about the rules of what they are doing), so I went to the weighbridge and I still had plenty of room for beer. Although I did have to rearrange the storage of anything heavy, to move weight from the rear to the front.
     
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    I have a pair of load cells capable of weighing up to 2.5t. It might be worth me bringing them to a meet sometime and checking a few funsters axle weights.

    Andy
     
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    very good idea
     
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    Out of interest how do we find the weights etc of our vans ? what should each axle weigh etc.I have a weighbridge less than a mile from home I would love to know whats what.I would guess fully loaded going to a race meeting im over limit I do know my rear springs have been altered but dont exactly know how.If its any help I own a lwb 310 sprinter Ruddock race conversion.Ta for any advice in advance Paul
     
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    there is normally a plate some where rivetted to the van listing front axle wt rear axle wt tran wt. and gross vehicle wt. the gross wt will be less than the two axle wts but its to allow for load placement. motor sport meetings can be a good place for vosa to hassle again they know you are loaded with tools etc. down here stock car gets lots of attention. specialy on train weights. car pulling trailer with another car on it almost definately over loaded. looking back i can say i used to break the law all the time using an a frame behind my vw camper to recover other vw campers .at the time didnt know the rules and have driven miles here and abroad. if stopped showed a recovery business card and went on my way . good job i didnt have an accident. doesnt make it right they would have thrown ther book at us . i would hate for anyone to be caught over loaded , not knowing isnt proof of innocence.could spoil a pleasant holiday. cheers alan.
     
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    I know you are going to think I am thick, but how do you increase your payload.

    Lesley
     
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