5er questions

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  1. rangie

    rangie Read Only Funster

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    i am thinking of buying an american 5er and a ram 2500
    is this legal in the UK

    before you all go yes it is......
    dodge ram is 3500gross and is allowed by law to pull max 7mtrs long and 2.3 wide
    the 5er i am looking at is 10mtrs long and 2.4 wide

    gross vehicle weight of ram 3500 gross of 5er 5300 total 8800 on a standard licence you can go up to 8250kg combined.

    acording to the department for transport the 5er is a catogorie 03, definition is trailer over 3500kg but under 10000kg. so it should have ABS brakes, but all american 5ers have electronic brakes.

    most of the electronic brake systems seem to be inertia type and are not allowed in the UK.

    also most dont have parking brakes

    so my question still stands are american 5ers legal in the UK
    and how do you guys get round it.
     
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    a completely different set of rules and regs for 5er's.

    ring DVLA and ask again....you'll get a different answer every time....

    the max uk combined length is 18mtrs.
    tow hitch type weights dont apply and it'll be the train weight which dictates the weight of the trailer.

    EEC trailer regs

    2.2.2.3. Every trailer of category O3 or O4 must be fitted with a service braking device of the continuous or semi-continuous type.

    1.9. "Continuous braking"
    "Continuous braking" means the braking of combinations of vehicles through an installation having the following characteristics: 1.9.1. a single control which the driver actuates progressively, by a single movement, from his driving seat,
    1.9.2. the energy used for braking the vehicles constituting the combination of vehicles is supplied from the same source (which may be the muscular energy of the driver),
    1.9.3. the braking installation ensures simultaneous or suitably phased braking of each of the constituent vehicles of the combination, whatever their relative positions.


    1.10. "Semi-continuous braking"
    "Semi-continuous braking" means the braking of combinations of vehicles through an installation having the following characteristics: 1.10.1. a single control which the driver can actuate progressively, by a single movement, from his driving seat,
    1.10.2. the energy used for braking the vehicles constituting the combination of vehicles is supplied from two different sources (one of which may be the muscular energy of the driver),
    1.10.3. the braking installation ensures simultaneous or suitably phased braking of each of the constituent vehicles of the combination, whatever their relative positions.
     
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    rangie Read Only Funster

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    a 5er isnt a commercial goods trailer so should be in group O2.

    that will depend on the weight of your 5er
    group 2 is 0.75tonnes to 3.5tonnes
    group 3 is 3.5tonnes to 10 tonnes
    group 4 is over 10 tonnes


    Category 0 is for trailers (including semi trailers)
     
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    all the importers fit modified brake back plates which includes a mechanical hand brake.
     
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    ]DO ALL OF THEM FIT PARKING BRAKES ???[:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    well i certainly wouldnt buy one without a proper handbrake....its a legal requirement.
     
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    agreed...thats why i edited my post :Blush:
     

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