40 motorhome owners taken to court.

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  1. Gromett

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    All very interesting but one statement stands out like a sore thumb..

    Oh no he won't !

    Such action has already been deemed draconian and illegal within EU countries
    A test case was brought against the French police a few years ago who were seizing motorcycles from German and Brit riders when caught speeding.

    Someone took the matter to Strasbourg and the ruling was very clear.
    The 'punishment' exceeded that which was the maximum allowed for the offence and was therefore illegal..

    Matey tries to seize motorhomes for a parking fine and he could end up bankrupting the council he works for with legal fees

    Don't get me wrong, not being a local resident I cannot comment on the rights and wrongs of the situation ( other than to say Woman and I would not visit the area unless it was absolutely necessary ) ... I merely point out that the man making that statement is someone who likes to pontificate and make wild statements. His employers would be well minded to reign in his verbalisations to the press !!
     
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    That strangeway guy is doing more harm than good, if councils think they going to have to put up with some one like him and class all moterhomers in the same mould there's no way they are going to allow it
     
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    i am local to the area , and the council have been in consultation with the secretory of state over this problem( as was mentioned on one of the local news reports) , and at the moment strangways and his band of followers are doing more harm than good with all the publicity that this is getting , this has been going on for 4 years and these councilors are adamant on stopping whats happening , local businesses and residents have had enough and want to see it stopped and i dont blame them :thumb:
     
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    Point of clarification. The man making the statement "If they want to ignore the court process and not pay their fines, we will go back to the courts to get an injunction, and I will go as far as seizing their vehicles." was a councillor (politician) not an employee of the council.

    It would, of course, be possible for the council to apply for seizure of the vehicles (presumably it would probably have got to a stage far beyond simple non-payment of a fine by then) and the court would have to take the EU ruling into account in making its decision.
     
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    Not being a legal eagle.. could the vans not be seized under this act


    Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress [HI]or annoyance[/HI]

    Section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002 – Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance (Section 59 gives the police power to deal with the anti-social use of motor vehicles on public roads or off-road. It includes (under subsections (1) and (3)) powers to stop and to seize and to remove motor vehicles where they are being driven off-road contrary to section 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 or on the public road or other public place without due care and attention or reasonable consideration for other road users, contrary to section 3 of the 1988 Act).

    https://sites.google.com/site/ronbarkercrimlaw/police-power-to-seize-vehicles
     
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    Quite possibly but certainly not for failure to pay a fine

    And as this is a civil matter I doubt very much the police will want to get involved in a potential powder keg situation
     
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    How does clamping, and towing cars away for parking come into this then, that's only a parking fine surely, no difference that I can see
     
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    Sorry, I am being totally dumb, but was just wondering what harm these motorhomers were doing.

    Are they leaving litter and trashing the place, or playing loud music, or taking up parking spaces that other people are wanting to use?

    The BBC article says:

    "They should not be subjected to intimidation from a small group of freeloaders who are simply here intent on not paying for anything."

    I'm sure there's a good reason why they shouldn't be doing what they're doing, but it just didn't seem clear from the BBC article.
     
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    They have been using the carpark as a permanent camp site with some staying the whole of the summer , and others stopping the winter , one was running a car repair shop from there, emptying of cassette's in the dunes and all the rubbish left, hight barriers have been put in place 3 times now to stop this but once erected that are destroyed
     
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    sounds like the usual story of a few spoiling it for the many
     
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    Maybe Grommit, being an IT buff, can make a new website called 'andystrangewaysisaknobanddoesntrepresentmostmotorhomers.com.

    On it, maybe we can express OUR views on the subject and not be associated with the views and actions of some militant moron.:Angry:
     
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    They should take away the barriers, install ticket machines and reclassify it as a paying parking area, then make some money out of them.
    Bit like what they do in other countries. In France they are called aires...........

    Allan
     
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    Nice if it could happen but I think LCC has already considered it. However, money would only be made if the cost of installing the infrastructure, managing collection of charges and managing the behaviour of the users were low enough.
     
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    So if you get clamped you loose the car ?
    The difference is you can reasonably expect to get it back..
    There is the inference that the council will seize the vehicle instead of a person paying the fine.. In other words he has chosen to INFER the MH will be lost to the owners..

    Typical politician .. no idea of that which he utters but quite happy to offer vague threats to folk who do not know the law

    If he had said seize the vehicle until such times as fines are paid that would be a different matter

    And with the new laws governing clamping, even that is incredibly dodgy ground
     
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    Does Lincolnshire not have any sites where they can pay and stay or do they have an aversion to paying for site services.:Smile:
     
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    :Eeek::Eeek::Eeek::Eeek::Eeek:

    paying.. did you say paying.. ?

    wash you mouth out with carbolic soap.. paying is for mugs :yeah:
     
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    it is not about paying or not paying its about discrimination, if you park there in a car its free if parking in a motorhome its illegal?? Get real and see the discrimination.
    So some are parking all summer and some all winter so where do they go to buy their food, do their washing etc., someone locally must be making money from them or is that conveniently forgotten. If fulltimers can park for free why would they not. If I want to park up and fish all night then kayak during the day on other days how is that wrong? why can I not step out of my motorhome and use the amenity. Why should I have to drag my kayak a mile to beach just because I don't have a car. Discrimination is what is at the back of it. If some are dumping their waste in the dunes then maybe it is time facilities to dump were provided it would cost less than the legal bills and height barrier replacement. Just because not all motorhomers are gypsies should not mean we don't have certain rights We all pay taxes and council tax, water bills at home why should we pay twice.
    The are people who don't use sites so as to avoid people or to be in a certain place it does mot make us all freeloading tossers and I for one am getting pig sick of the accusation from people who stay on sites all the time for no other reason than they think it somehow demeaning to wildcamp/wild park or whatever.
    Time I registered as a gypsy though a bloodline I will in time remember then this discrimination will end:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    Sounds outrageous. That's not motorhoming is it?

    You'd think there'd be some way of specifying a maximum stay (e.g. 2 nights in any fourteen) and then enforcing that rigidly.

    As OP have rightly said, it just spoils it for the 99% of motorhomers who wouldn't dream of behaving in such a way.
     
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