Non Resident UK Spanish Property Owners 90/180 Stay Extension May Come in November 2022

[EuroTrotters]

I was in a meeting with a UK holiday company last week. This company specialise in private villa rentals.

There are things going on in the background, hopefully I am told it may come as early as late this year if ximo Puig and his team get their way.

But don’t hold you breath, this is Spain

In the meantime if you would be kind enough to sign this petition here please ?. it may help some of us on here and elsewhere.

Sign the Petition

A homeowners Visa for Spain

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I’m hoping this doesn’t turn into one of those …..

“ you left the club”
“Why should the UK get any favours”
“You are now resident of s third country”

Etc.

As we purchased in Spain long before brexit and voted to remain in the EU.

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[EuroTrotters]

Sorry, just realised it switches to Spanish so I have done this screenshot.

The last tick box is if you don’t wish to show your comments

 

[jongood]

Sorry, just realised it switches to Spanish so I have done this screenshot.

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Is it a problem that it specifically asks if you own a property in Spain?

 

[Oscar]

Can't open the file?

 

[RobertJary]

The link's not working.

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[EuroTrotters]

Is it a problem that it specifically asks if you own a property in Spain?

Nope

 

[EuroTrotters]

Can't open the file?

I’ll try again on non Spanish isp

 

[EuroTrotters]

The link's not working.

I’ll try to re-link

 

[jumar]

Being a Spanish Resident I don't need to sign it, (I'm alright Jose') but for some folk, like many of our neighbours, I can see the need. So I've added my name to the list...many have invested loads of dosh into Spain in the way of property, they cannot choose another country to extend the 90 days like motorhomers can...I expect Spain will offer something to help them in the near future...

 

[EuroTrotters]

Sign the Petition

A homeowners Visa for Spain

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[cyberyacht]

Having had a place in Spain until a few years ago and friends still do, I have signed.

 

[The Wino]

I'm just wondering why it makes a difference owning property. I would have thought anyone that does had an option to obtain residency before the Brexit deadline? wheras non property owners didn't.

 

[nicholsong]

Being a Spanish Resident I don't need to sign it, (I'm alright Jose') but for some folk, like many of our neighbours, I can see the need. So I've added my name to the list...many have invested loads of dosh into Spain in the way of property, they cannot choose another country to extend the 90 days like motorhomers can...I expect Spain will offer something to help them in the near future...

How about organising house swaps for 90 days with those that have holiday villas in Turkey, Cyprus or Morocco?

 

[jumar]

How about organising house swaps for 90 days with those that have holiday villas in Turkey, Cyprus or Morocco?

Retired 20 years ago Geoff... don't need the work, money or hassle....happy to just plod along, ride my bike and enjoy all what Spain provides for expats...
Still cannot understand why others didn't take residency in Spain....the flexibility to travel back and forth from here to the UK has very few complications, the lifestyle which so many claim to need that exceeds 90 days could be taken...and up to 180 days at a time to visit the grandkids in the UK..first class health service and a climate to aid most age related illnesses....too late now for most...

 

[nicholsong]

I'm just wondering why it makes a difference owning property. I would have thought anyone that does had an option to obtain residency before the Brexit deadline? wheras non property owners didn't.

I do not know if Spain is different, but here in Poland I applied for Residence during the period of the Withdrawal Agreement.

I live in a house with my OH. The house is owned by her sons. I have no interest in the property and have no rental agreement. The address was accepted as my address.

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[The Wino]

I do not know if Spain is different, but here in Poland I applied for Residence during the period of the Withdrawal Agreement.

I live in a house with my OH. The house is owned by her sons. I have no interest in the property and have no rental agreement. The address was accepted as my address.

I suppose I should have said people living there had the option. But why should property ownership enable longer stays.

 

[EuroTrotters]

I'm just wondering why it makes a difference owning property. I would have thought anyone that does had an option to obtain residency before the Brexit deadline? wheras non property owners didn't.

I suppose I should have said people living there had the option. But why should property ownership enable longer stays.

When we purchased in March 2016 after a long search, the intention was always to rent out during the summer, winter sun for us. That and in the long run, spend long winters in Spain or even retire to Spain.

That of course was just pre the Brexit Referendum.

That was a big change to all our plans.

That and, the Backside fell out of the value of the GBP. We had forest fires, BREXIT and then the Pandemic.

Ive not talked about this much on here. But in December 2020. We planned to go to Spain by ferry for Christmas/New year. But cancelled due to the pandemic. Then we had issues with our Spanish bank account, where we were locked out and could only access by attending the bank in person, that and we needed to sign some legal documents.

So, we re-booked, this time flying with easyJet. en-route to our very expensive re-booked PCR tests, £165 each (£330). My wife crashed into the back of me in the snow. When we arrived in crushed vehicles for the test, my wife got a call to say her Mother had passed away that morning. We decided to continue with the trip to Spain, as booked, with my wife returning for the funeral.

On arrival at Alicante Airport in December 2020, we were met by the Spanish Authorities who immediately returned us on the same aircraft back to Manchester as were were no longer EU citizens and did not have Spanish Residency Status (Only NIE'S NOT TIE'S). The other 10 people of the flight were allowed in. As they had Residency or Student Visas.

A few other People from other UK Airports were also sent home. Including a man who had owned a property in Spain for 15 years and was in the process of applying for Spanish residency. Indeed, he was flying out from Glasgow to collect his documents.

Now, regardless of your thoughts or beliefs of the Pandemic. This was clearly an EU Spat due to Brexit. There is clearly no difference between an EU citizen with a Negative PCR or a non EU citizen. That and anyone EU citizen or not, was allowed to drive to Spain from anywhere on the Continent without a PCR test and that included UK Citizens who were already in Spain or any other EU Country.

The result was, our Building License was delayed a further 18 months and worse still, We were unable to access our Santander account. Luckily I was able to gauge and pay in money to cover outgoings. But money was paid out to companies by direct debit I am struggling to recoup.

The other thing was, we were unable to go to our house from December 2020 through until June 2021. But still had to pay our non residence taxes.

Now, post Brexit, we are limited to 90/180. But we still have to pay the 365 days non residence tax and council taxes.

Back to Residency.

Its very easy to say we should have applied for residency when we could. But that's a blanket, one size fits all statement. We Both still work here in the UK and have a business here. We couldn't simply just up sticks and leave the Business, our Jobs and Family at the drop of a hat.

Yes, for some people. Including a couple I know who had lived in Spain for 17 years, chose not to apply for residency and sold and to leave. Thats an easy decision. They decided to leave, their choice. But financially they are extremely well off.

Its a very unfair situation as I see it. I Voted to remain, as did all of our immediate family and friends, well bar one. I accept the decision as it was. But I really do think some kind of VISA should be afforded to certain property owners.

Your comments are welcome ......?

 

[The Wino]

When we purchased in March 2016 after a long search, the intention was always to rent out during the summer, winter sun for us. That and in the long run, spend long winters in Spain or even retire to Spain.

That of course was just pre the Brexit Referendum.

That was a big change to all our plans.

That and, the Backside fell out of the value of the GBP. We had forest fires, BREXIT and then the Pandemic.

Ive not talked about this much on here. But in December 2020. We planned to go to Spain by ferry for Christmas/New year. But cancelled due to the pandemic. Then we had issues with our Spanish bank account, where we were locked out and could only access by attending the bank in person, that and we needed to sign some legal documents.

So, we re-booked, this time flying with easyJet. en-route to our very expensive re-booked PCR tests, £165 each (£330). My wife crashed into the back of me in the snow. When we arrived in crushed vehicles for the test, my wife got a call to say her Mother had passed away that morning. We decided to continue with the trip to Spain, as booked, with my wife returning for the funeral.

On arrival at Alicante Airport in December 2020, we were met by the Spanish Authorities who immediately returned us on the same aircraft back to Manchester as were were no longer EU citizens and did not have Spanish Residency Status (Only NIE'S NOT TIE'S). The other 10 people of the flight were allowed in. As they had Residency or Student Visas.

A few other People from other UK Airports were also sent home. Including a man who had owned a property in Spain for 15 years and was in the process of applying for Spanish residency. Indeed, he was flying out from Glasgow to collect his documents.

Now, regardless of your thoughts or beliefs of the Pandemic. This was clearly an EU Spat due to Brexit. There is clearly no difference between an EU citizen with a Negative PCR or a non EU citizen. That and anyone EU citizen or not, was allowed to drive to Spain from anywhere on the Continent without a PCR test and that included UK Citizens who were already in Spain or any other EU Country.

The result was, our Building License was delayed a further 18 months and worse still, We were unable to access our Santander account. Luckily I was able to gauge and pay in money to cover outgoings. But money was paid out to companies by direct debit I am struggling to recoup.

The other thing was, we were unable to go to our house from December 2020 through until June 2021. But still had to pay our non residence taxes.

Now, post Brexit, we are limited to 90/180. But we still have to pay the 365 days non residence tax and council taxes.

Back to Residency.

Its very easy to say we should have applied for residency when we could. But that's a blanket, one size fits all statement. We Both still work here in the UK and have a business here. We couldn't simply just up sticks and leave the Business, our Jobs and Family at the drop of a hat.

Yes, for some people. Including a couple I know who had lived in Spain for 17 years, chose not to apply for residency and sold and to leave. Thats an easy decision. They decided to leave, their choice. But financially they are extremely well off.

Its a very unfair situation as I see it. I Voted to remain, as did all of our immediate family and friends, well bar one. I accept the decision as it was. But I really do think some kind of VISA should be afforded to certain property owners.

Your comments are welcome ......?

I think it's sadly one of the consequences of Brexit I voted the same way as you!. I don't see property ownership as having any effect in the length of time allowed in the EU in effect it's buying different rules to everyone else which for me goes against the grain. I think a lot of political decisions adversely affect some people at least we have a democracy so we can pick the best of what's available!

 

[jumar]

When we purchased in March 2016 after a long search, the intention was always to rent out during the summer, winter sun for us. That and in the long run, spend long winters in Spain or even retire to Spain.

That of course was just pre the Brexit Referendum.

That was a big change to all our plans.

That and, the Backside fell out of the value of the GBP. We had forest fires, BREXIT and then the Pandemic.

Ive not talked about this much on here. But in December 2020. We planned to go to Spain by ferry for Christmas/New year. But cancelled due to the pandemic. Then we had issues with our Spanish bank account, where we were locked out and could only access by attending the bank in person, that and we needed to sign some legal documents.

So, we re-booked, this time flying with easyJet. en-route to our very expensive re-booked PCR tests, £165 each (£330). My wife crashed into the back of me in the snow. When we arrived in crushed vehicles for the test, my wife got a call to say her Mother had passed away that morning. We decided to continue with the trip to Spain, as booked, with my wife returning for the funeral.

On arrival at Alicante Airport in December 2020, we were met by the Spanish Authorities who immediately returned us on the same aircraft back to Manchester as were were no longer EU citizens and did not have Spanish Residency Status (Only NIE'S NOT TIE'S). The other 10 people of the flight were allowed in. As they had Residency or Student Visas.

A few other People from other UK Airports were also sent home. Including a man who had owned a property in Spain for 15 years and was in the process of applying for Spanish residency. Indeed, he was flying out from Glasgow to collect his documents.

Now, regardless of your thoughts or beliefs of the Pandemic. This was clearly an EU Spat due to Brexit. There is clearly no difference between an EU citizen with a Negative PCR or a non EU citizen. That and anyone EU citizen or not, was allowed to drive to Spain from anywhere on the Continent without a PCR test and that included UK Citizens who were already in Spain or any other EU Country.

The result was, our Building License was delayed a further 18 months and worse still, We were unable to access our Santander account. Luckily I was able to gauge and pay in money to cover outgoings. But money was paid out to companies by direct debit I am struggling to recoup.

The other thing was, we were unable to go to our house from December 2020 through until June 2021. But still had to pay our non residence taxes.

Now, post Brexit, we are limited to 90/180. But we still have to pay the 365 days non residence tax and council taxes.

Back to Residency.

Its very easy to say we should have applied for residency when we could. But that's a blanket, one size fits all statement. We Both still work here in the UK and have a business here. We couldn't simply just up sticks and leave the Business, our Jobs and Family at the drop of a hat.

Yes, for some people. Including a couple I know who had lived in Spain for 17 years, chose not to apply for residency and sold and to leave. Thats an easy decision. They decided to leave, their choice. But financially they are extremely well off.

Its a very unfair situation as I see it. I Voted to remain, as did all of our immediate family and friends, well bar one. I accept the decision as it was. But I really do think some kind of VISA should be afforded to certain property owners.

Your comments are welcome ......?

Your explanation gives a very different picture to a situation that others have found themselves in...
But as many Brits were living under the Radar and had done for many years, Spain gave them the opportunity to come clean and get legal...an easy route to residency 12€. per person, exchange of driving license to a legal Spanish one and become a Spanish tax payer...nothing could have been simpler..but no...why should we, we haven't needed to before, or for some..nothing will change, well it has, and many fled....leaving behind properties to sell, abandoned cars....easy picking for some.
Now its costly, driving licence issues, some needed to take Spanish test, re- maticulation of vehicles, and higher import duties, and restrictions of movement during the first 5 years of residencia post Withdrawal agreement...
Back to second home owners...they are suffering, to an extent, we live on a resort that has many in this position, but the Scandi's, Dutch, French and German come and go as they wish, I hope for those in this situation, that something may happen, but we both are not aware of anything that is currently being discussed.
We can stay in Spain, our home for as long as we wish, visit the UK for up to 183 days a year and travel around Europe for 90 days, to remain legal.....our flexibility is the point I'm making regarding getting residencia for so many who didn't understand or wasn't told of how many benefits it provided....
I understand your situation EuroTrotters you explain it well, but others have actually shot themselves in the foot for not seeing an opportunity to make an easier life.....see the grandkids, travel more freely....it really couldn't have been any simpler for many in a situation to do so.

 

[cyberyacht]

Chatting to a pal at the sailing club yesterday who has kept his yacht in Croatia for the past umpteen years he told be that now Croatia is joining Schengen, he has put the boat up for sale as it is no longer a viable proposition for him. Several other UK owners have their yachts up for sale as well. All a result of the 90/180 day rule.

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[EuroTrotters]

Your explanation gives a very different picture to a situation that others have found themselves in...
But as many Brits were living under the Radar and had done for many years, Spain gave them the opportunity to come clean and get legal...an easy route to residency 12€. per person, exchange of driving license to a legal Spanish one and become a Spanish tax payer...nothing could have been simpler..but no...why should we, we haven't needed to before, or for some..nothing will change, well it has, and many fled....leaving behind properties to sell, abandoned cars....easy picking for some.
Now its costly, driving licence issues, some needed to take Spanish test, re- maticulation of vehicles, and higher import duties, and restrictions of movement during the first 5 years of residencia post Withdrawal agreement...
Back to second home owners...they are suffering, to an extent, we live on a resort that has many in this position, but the Scandi's, Dutch, French and German come and go as they wish, I hope for those in this situation, that something may happen, but we both are not aware of anything that is currently being discussed.
We can stay in Spain, our home for as long as we wish, visit the UK for up to 183 days a year and travel around Europe for 90 days, to remain legal.....our flexibility is the point I'm making regarding getting residencia for so many who didn't understand or wasn't told of how many benefits it provided....
I understand your situation EuroTrotters you explain it well, but others have actually shot themselves in the foot for not seeing an opportunity to make an easier life.....see the grandkids, travel more freely....it really couldn't have been any simpler for many in a situation to do so.

I wouldn't mind betting a lot of the people griping and regretting it now Voted to Leave too!.

I know some who made "protest votes"

 

[jumar]

I wouldn't mind betting a lot of the people griping and regretting it now Voted to Leave too!.

I know some who made "protest votes"

Yes that's very true.....we know a Motorhoming guy who winters long term in Spain who voted out...just how clever is that..he is restricted now to 90/180...which queue was he in when brains were handed out....

 

[The Wino]

Chatting to a pal at the sailing club yesterday who has kept his yacht in Croatia for the past umpteen years he told be that now Croatia is joining Schengen, he has put the boat up for sale as it is no longer a viable proposition for him. Several other UK owners have their yachts up for sale as well. All a result of the 90/180 day rule.

Well actually if we were still in it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[MartinandBev]

What makes me laugh about all of this (and have signed by the way even though we are resident here in Spain) is two of our neighbours who have lived in Spain for 15 years plus, voted out, why I asked? Because of immigration they said (I chuckled first) - and then said, so what are you here in Spain ?

silence said it all

 

[SheikhLala]

I think one of the greatest issues regarding Brexit, was the lack of understandable information. There were too many newspapers, TV channels ,politicians, journalists, pundits, forums ,youtube videos etc etc etc all contradicting each other. People were never given the whole picture. The fallout form our exit was never really explained, there was too much guess work and maybes.
My father in law lives in Spain, he is a resident and 100% legal.....his neighbour who has been out there for over 20 years, isn't. He never will be and he seems fine with that, don't know if I could live with that hanging over my head!!

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[MartinandBev]

don't know if I could live with that hanging over my head!!

Totally agree - you never know what’s around the corner and I’m a believer that time will always catch up with you

 

[Rogerwyn]

I wouldn't mind betting a lot of the people griping and regretting it now Voted to Leave too!.

I know some who made "protest votes"

At the end of the day brexit was driven by the money men, the papers convinced a lot of people with false claims it was best to be out, as quoted by one of the news moguls the majority of us are turkeys and we will get them to vote for Xmas

 

[Gromett]

I think one of the greatest issues regarding Brexit, was the lack of understandable information. There were too many newspapers, TV channels ,politicians, journalists, pundits, forums ,youtube videos etc etc etc all contradicting each other. People were never given the whole picture. The fallout form our exit was never really explained, there was too much guess work and maybes.

The fallout from leaving was obvious. We would no longer be part of the EU and rules that applied to every other 3rd country would apply to us. Not hard to understand? No guess work involved.
The only questionable bit was NI, which was a feck up by May who screwed the leaving process up from beginning to end.

 

[jongood]

The fallout from leaving was obvious. We would no longer be part of the EU and rules that applied to every other 3rd country would apply to us. Not hard to understand? No guess work involved.
The only questionable bit was NI, which was a feck up by May who screwed the leaving process up from beginning to end.

And many of our other politicians who did their absolute best to deny the democratic will.

Yes there were people on both sides whose logic I found dubious but I find the whole " you didnt know what you were voting for" argument particularly ridiculous as many of its proponents were " voting for everything to stay the same" which is ridiculous as the signs were all there that they wouldnt regardless.

I can live with the 90/180 easier than I could with the direction of the EU and still feel the same now.

 

[jumar]

And many of our other politicians who did their absolute best to deny the democratic will.

Yes there were people on both sides whose logic I found dubious but I find the whole " you didnt know what you were voting for" argument particularly ridiculous as many of its proponents were " voting for everything to stay the same" which is ridiculous as the signs were all there that they wouldnt regardless.

I can live with the 90/180 easier than I could with the direction of the EU and still feel the same now.

Living in Eurozone I honestly cannot see any problems in doing so....perhaps how the UK residents regarded their membership differently...including not taking the Euro, driving on the wrong side etc etc....

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