Is EHU on the up

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As an average Jim what do you think the increases will add to the average stay around the uk
 
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Jewellbags said:
As an average Jim what do you think the increases will add to the average stay around the uk
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I've no idea, but we went from 14p on the 31st March to 29.9p on the 1st April and it will be 45p come October. I've been looking at meters but they are far too expensive. Or require extra work in recording units before and after each stay.
 
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Jim said:
I've been looking at meters but they are far too expensive. Or require extra work in recording units before and after each stay.
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Would one's of these https://www.force4.co.uk/item/Force-4/MeterMaid-Portable-Electricity-Meter/WIO per pitch be of use?
No meter, no leccy, or if you are hooked up without you pay a fixed fee.?
This is how our local marina monitors boats hookup consumption

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the fair way is meters you pay for what you use as over the years we have seen the lot heaters in awnings / washing machines / spin dryers / electric BBQ's / frying pans / vacuum's / heaters inside going all night . the attitude is I have paid for it so i will use it .
one of the only cl's sites we use in the uk has meters fitted because of misuse which suits as we have all 12v & led lighting plus &
340watts of solar panels & a 3000w inverter for the odd use & staying on meters for say 5 days we use about £1.80 off a £10 card which we get a refund & the cl is £10 a night . but the offset is we use our ( gaslow ) for heating & fridge
 
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I wonder if some sites might have different charges depending on the capacity of the hook-up it would be easy presumably to put a low power circuit breaker in.
 
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599 said:
the fair way is meters you pay for what you use
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As Jim stated above... expensive to fit and extra work to maintain..
IMV the only fair way is to either use leccy or you dont and all sites should have a policy that if EHU available on pitch you decide if you want to use it or not.
If not... you don't pay.. If you do you pay going rate at what ever the site charges
 
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poppycamper said:
That's my biggest gripe about some sites... Especially club sites.. they won't let you have a pitch and NOT pay for leccy, even if you don't use EHU.
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This last weekend we attended an interesting Q&A session hosted by one of the major clubs with the club chairman and other senior club officials on the panel.
Electricity and the rising cost was the first item on the agenda along with the present situation of having no option to electric pitches.

I understand this is currently being addressed and trialed with a view to metering useage and along with the provision of non-electric pitches.

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Calm Seas said:
expensive to buy, and renowned for breaking and then you have to buy another one. (I looked in to them when I had my boat)
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I’m surprised that there isn’t a digital read-out one that doesn’t rely on an analogue mechanical counter…….:unsure:
 
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We stayed on a site in the south of France where on arrival you chose electric yes / no

Then if yes you chose how many Amps with different prices for each, I think they had three options

Wondered how it would work, we chose 16A

By the time we got to our pitch a man was fitting our 16A breaker

Very labour intensive and means you might have to wait to get connected , but I guess they get abused

If I ran a CL I don’t think I would give 16A, can’t see why anybody should ever need that, but would make it clear before booking and explain what can be run at 10A. But even that I think is 2kw, so potential for 60p / hour, £5 / day will soon be the minimum charge for electricity on a pitch I reckon 🤔
 
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DavidG58 said:
We stayed on a site in the south of France where on arrival you chose electric yes / no

Then if yes you chose how many Amps with different prices for each, I think they had three options

Wondered how it would work, we chose 16A

By the time we got to our pitch a man was fitting our 16A breaker

Very labour intensive and means you might have to wait to get connected , but I guess they get abused

If I ran a CL I don’t think I would give 16A, can’t see why anybody should ever need that, but would make it clear before booking and explain what can be run at 10A. But even that I think is 2kw, so potential for 60p / hour, £5 / day will soon be the minimum charge for electricity on a pitch I reckon 🤔
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When we had our RV and went to Albatross for our annual holiday we paid for for a higher powered breaker to run our air on.

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DavidG58 said:
We stayed on a site in the south of France where on arrival you chose electric yes / no

Then if yes you chose how many Amps with different prices for each, I think they had three options

Wondered how it would work, we chose 16A

By the time we got to our pitch a man was fitting our 16A breaker

Very labour intensive and means you might have to wait to get connected , but I guess they get abused

If I ran a CL I don’t think I would give 16A, can’t see why anybody should ever need that, but would make it clear before booking and explain what can be run at 10A. But even that I think is 2kw, so potential for 60p / hour, £5 / day will soon be the minimum charge for electricity on a pitch I reckon 🤔
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I think Jim was saying his electricity was going up to 45 p a unit so allowing for the heater in the awning mob could be £15 a day at cost without paying anything towards the infrastructure.
 
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The Wino said:
I wonder if some sites might have different charges depending on the capacity of the hook-up it would be easy presumably to put a low power circuit breaker in.
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But vans with mains compensating inverters and a decent battery bank could easily abuse that, 4A running 24hrs is the same power usage as 16A for 6 hours.
 
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The Wino said:
I think Jim was saying his electricity was going up to 45 p a unit so allowing for the heater in the awning mob could be £15 a day at cost without paying anything towards the infrastructure.
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I was presuming that even that ‘type’ do turn them off sone of the time 🤔👍😁
 
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We have a Victron 12/2000/80 inverter charger, the comment that we can limit the incoming 240 amps is correct. We can go down to 2 amp @ 240 if needed. This was mainly so if on low amp sites abroad we could still charge batteries and using the power sharing of 700 watts of solar and 200 amps of lithium we could still run the hab air con.
 
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I worked for a large marina in Devon and we used to just have 16 amp mains supply for the boats. In the winter the cables would be warm and several times the 16 amp would trip. Since we fitted meters the consumption dropped by over 60%
some control of amount used is required to make it fair on both users and providers

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poppycamper said:
As Jim stated above... expensive to fit and extra work to maintain..
IMV the only fair way is to either use leccy or you dont and all sites should have a policy that if EHU available on pitch you decide if you want to use it or not.
If not... you don't pay.. If you do you pay going rate at what ever the site charges
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So after all that will you be telling Jim his electric is a rip off. Haha
 
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In Spain this year 3 of 8 sites had a 4kw per day allowance and you paid for anything over that amount. We only used extra during the cold nights when we had the heating on mixed.
 
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We stay on a cl with 6amp EHU we have to juggle what to put on but we run heating on low, kettle, hot water, toaster and microwave, just one at a time.
 
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In a German stellplatz the EHU has increased from 50c to 75c per Amp hr last 2 years.

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The problem with most metered solutions is that someone has to be available to check the readings, collect the payments or whatever. May just about work on really large sites that can have the extra staff available, but even so there will be inevitable problems of the punter wanting to leave at an early hour yet staff aren't available as they are cleaning blocks. On a smaller CL that can't be manned 24/7 and largely has to operate as a trust system, collecting usage payments would be a pain. A prepayment meter system would become costly to install and maintain, compared to these plug in type meters (are those actually sufficiently accurate and durable).

For most sites the fixed lump sum per day will remain, but becomes a much higher charge in proportion to the pitch fee which may look expensive. Sites will need to offer a with or without power option.

Certainly for much of the spring through autumn I'm going to be hoping that solar will meet my needs, enabling me to find some of the cheaper sites. Challenge from solar, when I tend to arrive and park up for a few days, is whether it will give enough to recharge the e-bike battery as well as other stuff. Don't have much room on the roof, but am seriously looking to replace the 100W solar with a 150W panel.
 
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stayed at a site in Suffolk last week. Wednesday lunchtime to Sunday morning. owner warned me price had gone up to 40p. we were not too frugal as it was bloody freezing outside but cost me £35 in electric. (it was metered)
 
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Kannon Fodda said:
The problem with most metered solutions is that someone has to be available to check the readings, collect the payments or whatever. May just about work on really large sites that can have the extra staff available, but even so there will be inevitable problems of the punter wanting to leave at an early hour yet staff aren't available as they are cleaning blocks. On a smaller CL that can't be manned 24/7 and largely has to operate as a trust system, collecting usage payments would be a pain. A prepayment meter system would become costly to install and maintain, compared to these plug in type meters (are those actually sufficiently accurate and durable).

For most sites the fixed lump sum per day will remain, but becomes a much higher charge in proportion to the pitch fee which may look expensive. Sites will need to offer a with or without power option.

Certainly for much of the spring through autumn I'm going to be hoping that solar will meet my needs, enabling me to find some of the cheaper sites. Challenge from solar, when I tend to arrive and park up for a few days, is whether it will give enough to recharge the e-bike battery as well as other stuff. Don't have much room on the roof, but am seriously looking to replace the 100W solar with a 150W panel.
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Why will sites need to offer a with EHU and without, is there a law coming in saying they have to ?
 
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