Is ECU multi scan what I need?

[DuncT]

Evening.

I'm after some diagnostic software to get to the bottom of my most recent throttle body problem and just wanted to check that ECU multi scan is what I should get?

I tried the free version with my vcds (VW) cable but had no joy so will be buying the registered version along with a cable.

Unless there's something better?

If ECU multi scan is the kiddie, which cable do I need? I've got a 2019 Ducato 2.3 multijet.

Thanks all

 

[JustifiedAncient]

Ducati's have both a high-speed and low-speed CAN bus. Half the modules are on high-speed and rest on the low-speed bus. For the low-speed bus you need a 'Yellow' cable.

With just the OBD reader plugged in you can read the blue units below. To read the green entries, you need to use a 'Yellow' A3 cable with the OBD reader and MultiECUscan software.

Engine Management	Marelli Diesel Injection
	AdBlue Dosing Module
Transmission	ZF Automatic Gearbox
Brakes	Bosch ABS
Airbag	TRW Airbag MY14
Service	Service Interval Reset
Dashboard	Instrument Panel Marelli
	UConnect Radio/Nav 5”
Body	Body Computer Marelli
	CAN Setup Proxi Alignment
	CAN Monitor vehicle settings
Climate Control	Denso Climate Control
Other	Parking Control Bosch
	TPMS Schader

Adapter on own (C-CAN - Blue, High-Speed 500kbit/s,

Bosch EDC17C69 CF6/EOBD Diesel Injection (2.3) INFO DTC|DTC EX| PRM|ACT| AD]I ELM
Marelli 8F3 CF5/CF5+/EOBD Diesel Injection (2.3) |INFO|DTCIDTC EX| PRM|ACTIADJIELM
Marelli 9DF CF6/EOD Diesel Injection (2.3) lINFO|DTCIDTC EX| PRM|ACT| ADJI ELM
Urea/AdBlue dosing module Continental INFO DTC/PRM/ADJIIELM
Marelli SELESPEED CFC348 Automatic Gearbox lINFO/DTCIDTC EXIPRMIACTIADIIELM
Marelli SELESPEED CFC448F Automatic Gearbox lINFOIDTCIDTC EX| PRM|ACT| AD]I ELM
ZF 9HP48 Automatic Gearbox |INFO|DTCIDTC EX| PRMIAD]I ELM
Bosch ABS 9 INFO|DTC|DTC EX| PRM|ACT| ADJ| ELM
Bosch ABS 9 ESP INFO|DTCIDTC EXIPRMIACTIADJI ELM

Adapter with A3 Yellow Cable (B-CAN - Green, Lo-Speed 50kb/s, 29bit)

TRW Airbag MY14 |INFOIDTCIDTC EX|PRM/ACTI ELM A3
Service Interval Reset INFO/DTCIPRMIADJI ELM A3
Instrument Panel Marelli INFO|DTC|DTC EX| PRM|ACT| ADJI ELM A3
UConnect Radio/Nav 5" lINFOIDTCIPRMIAD]I ELM I A3
Body Computer Marelli (290) INFO|DTCIDTC EXIPRM/ACTIADJ| ELM A3
CAN Monitor / Vehicle Settings IDC PRMIADJIl A3
CAN Setup / PROXI Alignment Procedure (290) INFO|ADJI ELM A3
Denso climate control (Single zone) INFOIDTCII ELM AE
Parking control Bosch INFO/DTCIDTC EXIPRMIADJI ELM A3
Parking control Bosch MY14 |INFO|DTCIDTC EXIPRMIADI| ELM A3
Tire Pressure Control (PMS) Schrader (2/3 axle) |INFO|DTC|DTC EXIPRMIACTIADJIELMA3

Fiat Ducato OBD2 Port Wiring

Pin	Usage
1	Low Speed CAN (High)
4/5	Ground/Negative
6	High Speed CAN (High)
7	?
9	Low Speed CAN (Low)
12	?
14	High Speed CAN (Low)
16	Positive Power

Yellow Cable A3 Adapter Spec

Reader End	OBD Port End	Reason
Pin 6	Pin 1	Send low speed CAN to CAN bus high
Pin 14	Pin 9	Send low speed CAN to CAN bus low
Pin 7	Pin 12	Needed for Xenon lights?
Pins 4 & 5	Pins 4 & 5	Ground/Negative
Pin 16	Pin 16	Positive Power

You can purchase a cable such as this one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P8N8G8B?tag=mhf04-21

 

[pagey]

look up a company called gengen its where i got mine and the leads

 

[Jimuck]

Think it might be Gendan. Good company

 

[oldiesontour]

On a 2019 you may have a SGW if so you will need a bypass lead for it as well.. with out it you will only be able to read faults A word of warning many have bought leads from Amazon and eBay to find they don't fully function Gendan are a little be more expensive but do work

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[DuncT]

Is this the one I need??

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC)

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC) - only £129.95 including VAT & UK delivery!

m.gendan.co.uk

I did see sgw mentioned on another site but the Ducato wasn't listed in the affected vehicles.

 

[oldiesontour]

Is this the one I need??

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC)

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC) - only £129.95 including VAT & UK delivery!

m.gendan.co.uk

I did see sgw mentioned on another site but the Ducato wasn't listed in the affected vehicles.

Think around that time U May Not have one my 2020 boxer hasn't but it seems to be pot luck to a large degree..you'll soon know if you can only read ECU !

 

[Jimuck]

As long as the kit has the yellow adapter you should be fine.
Never needed any other for what I have used it for but no harm having them

 

[DuncT]

As long as the kit has the yellow adapter you should be fine.
Never needed any other for what I have used it for but no harm having them

I'd rather only buy the leads/adapters I need. The software is £50 so do I just need the yellow adapter and then a main lead? If so, which lead is best?

Thanks all

 

[oldiesontour]

You need a modified elm connector and the lead the link you posted tells you what each lead does. As they say the kit contains a faster and may be wireless version of the modified elm connector

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[Jimuck]

I would think you only need the yellow one but others may know better. Mine is for a 2020 boxer so slightly different maybe for a fiat as multiecuscan is designed for fiat although most modules are common for peugeot citroen except engines which are fiat specific

 

[oldiesontour]

It may seem expensive but fiat I believe charge £165 for a diagnostic check an independent will charge around £65 just to proxy align say a new air bag ecu

 

[Jimuck]

Personally I would go for wired elm as opposed to wireless. Less chance of bad communication especially if doing a proxy alignment

 

[oldiesontour]

I would think you only need the yellow one but others may know better. Mine is for a 2020 boxer so slightly different maybe for a fiat as multiecuscan is designed for fiat although most modules are common for peugeot citroen except engines which are fiat specific

Do you know what ECU your boxer is ? The one on mine is delphi so eum doesn't do much

 

[Jimuck]

Not sure or how I would find out but MES does everything I need including TPMS

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[oldiesontour]

Most professional remappers use wireless and they are reprogramming a large part of the ECU...so I guess they must be ok

 

[oldiesontour]

Not sure or how I would find out but MES does everything I need including TPMS

I read on the side of the ECU facing the bulkhead using a torch and mirror.From memory I could access bcm and airbag ECU but not Adblue

 

[Jimuck]

That might be so but how difficult is it to plug a lead into the obd port knowing it will work everything compared with a Bluetooth one which may loose signal at a crucial moment
Remembering that we are only DIY not professions with expensive kit

 

[oldiesontour]

That might be so but how difficult is it to plug a lead into the obd port knowing it will work everything compared with a Bluetooth one which may loose signal at a crucial moment
Remembering that we are only DIY not professions with expensive kit

Being old school I agree and bought the modified elm lead but think it's just me being over cautious and would assume with lots of low end to high end diag ki now being wireless it must work.I now use diagbox also hardwired

 

[SexyThexy]

If you want to borrow a set up before you decide to commit to buy I have one that Funsters have been borrowing, It is out on a lend presently but it should come back next Sunday 27th so could ship it out on the Monday.
Let me know and I will book it in
DaveT

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[oldiesontour]

If you want to borrow a set up before you decide to commit to buy I have one that Funsters have been borrowing, It is out on a lend presently but it should come back next Sunday 27th so could ship it out on the Monday.
Let me know and I will book it in
DaveT

A great offer nice to know there are still good people around

 

[DuncT]

If you want to borrow a set up before you decide to commit to buy I have one that Funsters have been borrowing, It is out on a lend presently but it should come back next Sunday 27th so could ship it out on the Monday.
Let me know and I will book it in
DaveT

That is amazing and really appreciate that offer.

I think I'm going to just buy one as will want to keep it in the van when on holidays in Europe.

 

[oldiesontour]

That is amazing and really appreciate that offer.

I think I'm going to just buy one as will want to keep it in the van when on holidays in Europe.

Very worthwhile...we had the Adblue no restart counter kick in ..when we were in France,drove home then no restart used diagbox( Peugeot equiv to EUM) to get it going again...had Adblue deleted

 

[oldiesontour]

For the possibility of needing it on the road I would carry a full set of leads ..for the vehicle £150 is nothing compared to a potential breakdown cost...my diagbox...s/H laptop and lexia with adaptor etc was over £200 but one fault has saved me possibly £2k and a wait for parts in Spain...where we are now

 

[the1andonly]

What software/ hardware do i need to read OBD2 Codes

This a much bigger question than first appears. If we limit it to what is a cost effective DIY solution to "read my Fiat and simple maintenance issues eg change the oil in my euro 6 or add a new MAF sensor" then the answer for me reduces to...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

this doesn't include the new vlinker now sold by Gendan
2019 Adblu or non ad blue twinegr. the twin egr will not have SGW. the adblu may.

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[DuncT]

What software/ hardware do i need to read OBD2 Codes

This a much bigger question than first appears. If we limit it to what is a cost effective DIY solution to "read my Fiat and simple maintenance issues eg change the oil in my euro 6 or add a new MAF sensor" then the answer for me reduces to...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

this doesn't include the new vlinker now sold by Gendan
2019 Adblu or non ad blue twinegr. the twin egr will not have SGW. the adblu may.

Mines the non add blue twin egr model. So would this kit be the one to get....??

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC)

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC) - only £129.95 including VAT & UK delivery!

m.gendan.co.uk

Thanks again all

 

[the1andonly]

The simple approach is to get all from Gendan including support if you need it.
Bits and pieces approach is slightly cheaper.

 

[oldiesontour]

Mines the non add blue twin egr model. So would this kit be the one to get....??

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC)

MultiECUScan USB Diagnostic Package for Fiat / Alfa Romeo / Lancia cars (Single PC) - only £129.95 including VAT & UK delivery!

m.gendan.co.uk

Thanks again all that will cover you ..you may have bits ... hopefully most of them you'll never need.but ..better to have and not need than need and not have...oh and think yourself lucky it's not Peugeot took me best part of a day to download and get diagbox working !

Yes all bases covered! Think yourself lucky it's not Peugeot took me best part of a day to download and install Diagbox...and because it's a non legit copy of main dealer software no backups or updates...in fact if it gets online Peugeot will delete it ... apparently!

 

[tkk]

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On a 2019 you may have a SGW if so you will need a bypass lead for it as well.. with out it you will only be able to read faults A word of warning many have bought leads from Amazon and eBay to find they don't fully function Gendan are a little be more expensive but do work

If it’s an early, eg. March, 2019 ,like mine, the engine is probably 2018 an probably will not have SGW

 

[tkk]

To follow on, if you get the PC version and you are using Windows 11, configuring the ports is a sod. It’s beaten me

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