Fiat Ducato Oil Filter - source other than dealer?

[VXman]

I'm going to give my 18 month Ducato based MH an oil change as it's done 13000 and I'm off on a long trip next month. Want to use Fiat parts so as not to invalidate warranty.

Other than going to a Fiat dealer - is there anywhere else you can obtain genuine Fiat parts - maybe a little cheaper? Online?

 

[donkey]

I just put a web search for 'Genuine Fiat Filters' and loads came up.

Geoff

 

[Hagstrom]

(I've just decided to pay FIAT Professional to do my oil change and filter at 7000 miles. It's 18 months old but a recent conversation with FIAT Camper Assist convinced me that having a main dealer service would enhance the chances of a FIAT goodwill repair once the van's out of warranty in 6 months time.)

 

[daveclare]

Got a genuine fiat oil filter from ebay. Make sure you get the correct specification oil. A general Internet search will bring up lots of sellers. But many not providing the correct spec.

From a reputable eBay trader.

 

[ivorantony]

And be aware of filters that are counterfeit purportedly sold as genuine Fiat parts,

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[lindyloot]

Go to your local motor Factors. You don't have to have Fiat on the filter box, Companies like Purflux make the filters for manufactures such as Fiat Citroen Peugoet ect

 

[TheBig1]

Funny thing the box that parts come in. The box varies according to the vehicle manufacturer, but the content is often identical, built on the same line in the same factory. Just the printing on the box identifies it as "genuine FIAT" and the price multiplies.

When you look into it only a few manufacturers supply the whole automotive industry with the same engine or parts in different vehicles from different manufacturers. Providing they are the correct specification, there is no need to pay the protection racket, hoping for good will from a manufacturer out of warranty

 

[terryb]

have you tried coastal motorhomes.

 

[Jake Royd]

Reminds me when I decided to replace the pads and discs on my VW Passat.
About 5 choices for the discs , I thought I would go for Brembo , a very reputable Italian brake supplier and OEM to lots of marques.
On the boxes there were lots of Italian "craftsmen" looking very Italian with the leaning tower in the background.
On the side it had "made in China"

 

[Roger20]

I have been using this local firm (in Bradford) to buy genuine Petronas Selenia oil and Fiat filters. They trade as www.ggb.me.uk. I've only just registered on that site but my invoices show GGB.

Petronas Selenia WR Forward 0/30 - £10.78/litre (excl VAT)
Fiat Oil filter (71779555) £6.91 (excl VAT)

This is the online shop but I usually visit the warehouse.

Invoice in September 2021 for 6 litres, 2 filters and 4 sump washers came to £97.50.

Fiat Ducato Mk5 (2014 to ) 2.3 JTD Engine Oils (Selenia)

www.shop4parts.co.uk

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[Hettie's Crew]

I’ve chosen MANN filters, engine, fuel and air as they have a good reputation, Plus, FUCHS oil, that’s what the Fiat Professional garage I had ours serviced at used.

 

[DerryW]

I'm going to give my 18 month Ducato based MH an oil change as it's done 13000 and I'm off on a long trip next month. Want to use Fiat parts so as not to invalidate warranty.

Other than going to a Fiat dealer - is there anywhere else you can obtain genuine Fiat parts - maybe a little cheaper? Online?

Obviously your choice, and no doubt you're more than confident to do the job, but, at only18 months old and13000, wouldn't it be more wise to get the job done by Fiat dealer.

Speaking from experience, I always, in-spite of the inflated cost, have any work done on my car by a LR dealer, this paid dividends when it required a new engine last year at a cost of £14k, because the car had full LR service history LR made a generous contribution.

 

[donkey]

When I had new Kia I decide to let them do the first few services to protect the warranty. I enquired what oil they used and the receptionist asked the fitting staff, who said they thought the last delivery was Shell, but could change with the next delivery.

Geoff

 

[VXman]

Obviously your choice, and no doubt you're more than confident to do the job, but, at only18 months old and13000, wouldn't it be more wise to get the job done by Fiat dealer.

Speaking from experience, I always, in-spite of the inflated cost, have any work done on my car by a LR dealer, this paid dividends when it required a new engine last year at a cost of £14k, because the car had full LR service history LR made a generous contribution.

Service not needed until 20,000/2 years so this is purely an extra. By using a Fiat filter they would never know it had been done and if they did it doesn't invalidate the warranty as I have used official parts. The Ducato oil change is an incredibly simple job. Everything so accessible. Would take a garage 10 mins - and how much would they charge?

I will use a official garage for the official service, but warranty will be over then anyway. I'd never use a Fiat stealer. I will use my tried and tested local garage for regular servicing so I have a service history.

Of course you never know, but you were unlucky to lose an engine. Maybe it was the LR servicing that did it!

40 years of servicing my own vehicles and I've never had any problems and am thousands of pounds better off for it. I tend to keep my vehicles a long time (current two cars are 19 years and 12 years old) so service official history doesn't tend to have much of an impact n sale at that age. Fully intend keeping this Motorhome for the long run too.

 

[VXman]

I have been using this local firm (in Bradford) to buy genuine Petronas Selenia oil and Fiat filters. They trade as www.ggb.me.uk. I've only just registered on that site but my invoices show GGB.

Petronas Selenia WR Forward 0/30 - £10.78/litre (excl VAT)
Fiat Oil filter (71779555) £6.91 (excl VAT)

This is the online shop but I usually visit the warehouse.

Invoice in September 2021 for 6 litres, 2 filters and 4 sump washers came to £97.50.

Fiat Ducato Mk5 (2014 to ) 2.3 JTD Engine Oils (Selenia)

www.shop4parts.co.uk

Thanks - that's looks good. Just registered for an account.

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[Hettie's Crew]

The FIAT Professional dealership I used for several years does not use Petronas Selenia, they didn’t even have any, except for small top up bottles “that the occasional customer asks for”
All companies have ‘recommended oil’ but it’s the grade/spec that’s important not the manufacturer.
They use FUCHS oil of the appropriate spec that comes in huge drums. This was also the case at another FP garage in France that we had to use.
Now I’m doing my own I’ve bought the correct grade FUCHS oil, and MANN filters, as said above.

 

[Roger20]

I'm with VXman on servicing. Over 50 years, my experience of using garages has been very negative. Take an oil change. The simplest of jobs so after a bit of initial supervision (hopefully) they give it to the new apprentice. What could possibly go wrong. A stripped sump plug? In my case, on a Fiat Professional visit to maintain warranty they managed to put the completely wrong filter on from a different vehicle. So many examples over the years.

Most recent was the refitting of a new mountain bike electric motor, and under warranty again. Started with a completely obvious loose motor bolt, followed by 4 other things which I only found 6 months later. The dropper post failed because the cable had been installed badly kinked, completely contrary to manufacturer guidance. Just a clear example of a rushed job which resulted in me having to remove the motor again and re-install properly.

All this is fine if you have the mechanical skills to recognise correct maintenance but how many just have to rely on the fact that a main dealer "ought" to be doing the job to the same standards that the manufacturer stipulates?

I'm with those who can find and build a good long term relationship with a local garage - trust is paramount. When my son recommends a local tradesman he will sometimes use the phrase that they are "old school", implying that they were taught properly and have a pride in what they do. A builder friend, when asked who he could trust to work on his own property said one in twenty! It's a rather sad indictment on standards today. I would have much more confidence in having work done in Germany or Austria than the UK.

 

[GROMIT69]

How much did your motorhome cost , and your trying to save how much on an oil filter with the chance of destroying the engine , just saying

 

[VXman]

How much did your motorhome cost , and your trying to save how much on an oil filter with the chance of destroying the engine , just saying

I was looking for a GEUINE Fiat filter but at the best price - how is that likely to destroy an engine? Having said that I've used non genuine ones on my cars for 40 years and never ruined an engine.

As for how much the motorhome cost? -well I have got to the stage in life to afford one and other luxuries be being careful/sensible with money. If I just drove all my cars over the years to the nearest rip off dealer and bent over I wouldn't be where I am today!

It seems to me the more money people have the more they are happy to waste it but each to their own eh? (just saying )

 

[The Wino]

We have a ford but I think on quite a few Fiat's the oil filter housing is a common cause of breakdowns so id pay for one I knew was good quality rather than go just on cost.

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[VXman]

We have a ford but I think on quite a few Fiat's the oil filter housing is a common cause of breakdowns so id pay for one I knew was good quality rather than go just on cost.

The post was asking for info on where to obtain a GENUINE FIAT FILTER. Seems to me your post doesn't relate to the question!

 

[daveclare]

The high cost of our motorhome is the main reason for doing some things myself and not letting a supposedly trained fool near it. This is based on what I've already discovered that the manufacturer and dealer have done.

I want to protect my investment not destroy it.

In the past I could've been killed by what a main dealer for my new motorbike did/didn't do. Therefore I'm wary of the work carried out on cars, bikes, scooters and motorhomes.

Even last week I discovered the oil gauze in my bought from new Vespa's engine, had been forced back into the engine and broken. This could've caused a catastrophic failure due to oil starvation. Sadly because it was bought and recently serviced at two different main dealers, I can't prove who broke the part.

I too have changed my oil on the MH during warranty. Because if I followed the fiat two year oil change advice, it'd be full of gunge. So I did the same and used genuine filter and right spec oil during the warranty period.

 

[Roger20]

In the past I could've been killed by what a main dealer for my new motorbike did/didn't do

Exactly the same experience for me. Filter over-tightened at first service, distorting the seal. First cold startup and oil flooded the back wheel spitting me off, fracturing my arm and the bike written off.

Although I'm sure there are many good technicians out there it's hardly surprising some of us are reluctant to put our trust in the garage trade!

 

[the1andonly]

I'm going to give my 18 month Ducato based MH an oil change as it's done 13000 and I'm off on a long trip next month. Want to use Fiat parts so as not to invalidate warranty.

Other than going to a Fiat dealer - is there anywhere else you can obtain genuine Fiat parts - maybe a little cheaper? Online?

Depends on what you regard as genuine fiat. I take the view that my van came with a Mahle filter when new. I fit a Mahle filter I regard this as per fiat's recommendations. The oil I use is to the specs recommended but not Petronas, Fuchs. Fuchs nor Mahle are micky mouse .
I've seen many a filter go in a Saab , triumph and Halfords box all off the same production line some even went into a Coopers box.
Many moons ago when coopers filters were made in South Wales, I doubt there's any difference today. Because it says Fiat on the box doesn't mean Fiat made it.

 

[VXman]

Depends on what you regard as genuine fiat.

It's just a case of putting something that Fiat wouldn't quibble about if there was some warranty issue later. I guess buying something from a Fiat dealer would sort that. Alternatively putting some identical to whats on it now. I shall take a look.

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[TDub49]

I seem to recall that back in the day, approved dealers had a monopoly on servicing vehicles they supplied as warranties were invalidated if the service was carried out by a non approved garage. The EU found this to be anti-competitive and the law was changed to allow other garages to service vehicles provided they could demonstrate competence and adherence to the appropriate service schedules etc. Whether or not this rules out people carrying out their own servicing, I am not sure, but you can bet the manufacturer (and supplying dealer), if faced with a big warranty claim, would be looking for any escape route to avoid responsibility . . . .

 

[The Wino]

I seem to recall that back in the day, approved dealers had a monopoly on servicing vehicles they supplied as warranties were invalidated if the service was carried out by a non approved garage. The EU found this to be anti-competitive and the law was changed to allow other garages to service vehicles provided they could demonstrate competence and adherence to the appropriate service schedules etc. Whether or not this rules out people carrying out their own servicing, I am not sure, but you can bet the manufacturer (and supplying dealer), if faced with a big warranty claim, would be looking for any escape route to avoid responsibility . . . .

I think the manafacturers were lucky to get away with damp warranties requiring inspection by their appointed workshops it could well be if it ever went to court that a check by any workshop listed with a trade scheme would be acceptable.