Electric dog Collars.

a woman that walks her dog same place as us
had a training collerwith a differance
it squirted a mist spray
when the button was pressed

i dont see her that often
to ask where it came from sorry
 
It is all very well using all the gadgets but they must be used in the correct way otherwise you will end up with a even more confused dog, do not forget the dog thinks what it is doing is the correct thing. The method i have suggested is strickly no gadgets or hurting or even any type contact to make the dog do what you want. when it is done correctly the dog wants to do what you ask, you can also understand the signals that the dog is giving you.

Sorry i do not want to push this technique, it has to be the owners choice if they want to use it and will not work, if it is pushed onto them as you have to be diciplined with your approach in the early stages.
 
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you can get a spray type collar that sprays them in the face when you press a button I do not know if you know about them Paul but I do know the rspca kennel maids sometimes carry a spray bottle with water to spray in the dogs face when they misbehave on a lead it could be worth a try to spray water at Tara at the appropriate moment?

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Laneside

Hi Paul


Had time to dwell on this now and appreciate that you must be even more confused with the variety of response, which was to be expected.

The electric collar as I said has its uses in the right hands, however the main use is to re-enforce a known command that a dog is ignoring when at a distance.

You are in close control of your dog when this vice occurs so an alternative is required.

I will not add to the confusion by offering advice on which way to sort it.

But do not spend a £100 plus on a collar at this stage.

Cheers Alan

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The dog sounds like a nervous aggressive. It is just a result of being attacked. Our rescue one used to be the same - worse thing with him, he is a glen, which are dog aggressive anyway - so curing him took a little more time.

Firstly, the reason: The dog is saying 'Stay away from me, I am mean and strong' It is the same as if you were to get into a confrontation. Your face would straighten, your shoulder go back and you stand up straight. The dog has no expession to read other than tail, shackles and aggressive behaviour such as warning barks/growls, so that is what it does.

Purely aggressive dogs will not bark, growl or display this behaviour - they will just attack. Tail level, shackles up, head low and focused on the target.

Your dog is nervous aggressive due to the event - probably runs up and down the garden barking at passers by, barks at visitors etc, but never attacks. Just barks and moves away whilst barking. This aggression can easily escalate to pure aggression if not addressed.

Firstly, you need to take command of the dog. Be the leader as ceasar millan would say. Firstly, as it is a puppy I would recommend, when quietly walking together - stay in front. If this means keeping your hands and lead behind your back, do so. It will get the dog used to 'following the pack' and focus on that.

Once you have cracked that, you can allow the dog to walk beside, but just behind you, so her nose is more or less level with your leg. If you see any other dogs, YOU MUST relax and IGNORE. If the dog looks at the other dog, divert attention by a swift tug of the lead, sideways, with a command no more that one word, and ONLY for that situation such as 'leave' 'here' or similar. Keep it focussed on walking rather than what the other dog is doing. You need to keep and eye on what is being looked at - slightest look in that directio, BEFORE any growls or warning behavious manisfests itself. You need to stop it from base level.

If a loose dog comes forward for a sniff, then block the dog and gain its' attention. The curious dog will try to move around you, just block it - with your dog behind. This not only tells the interested dog that YOU are the pack leader and IT is not welcome - but will show your dog that YOU are the one that is to be approached!

You main mission for now is to teach yourself to relax, and not become apprehensive when another dog is around. If you 'Think' your dog will become aggressive - then it will. Reading your energy is how it responds. If YOU see no danger, and are relaxed, then the dog will follow suit. May not work first time, but you HAVE to repeat the correction. Usually takes a week or two!

Good luck!:thumb:

One other thing: NEVER EVER use a head/nose harness, especially on a puppy - they cannot see you, commands and it damages the spinal cord. Especially when the spine is still forming.

And NEVER use any electrical devices for this sort of behaviour. The only situation that these can be used in, is an animal that is never on the lead - but has aggressive problems with a certain thing. It just teaches them to stay away - no point using voice commands if you are not there!
 
I don't beleive tara is a puppy?



Anyone one intersting thing struck me with RCs post, the leading the pack bit, being in front to establish pack leader. This, it would seem explains why when we're out with Shelby and she ends up in front she stops, or goes into extreme dawdle and constantly looks behind, until one of us goes in front then all's sort of well, well until she gets a smell that needs investigated and wee'd on:Rofl1:
 
Our clan has used collars a few times and very successfully.

My advice:
They are brilliant aids once the owner is trained to use them.
NEVER use them to punish the dog.
Let the dog wear them for a few days before using so they associate the pain with the crime and not the collar.
Don't let your kids operate the remote.

They are excellent for keeping a dog within a perimeter fence. My brother had a big problem with sheep chasing, he put a perimeter wire in and whenever the dogs approached it they changed their minds as the shock got stronger. End of problem, happy owner, happy dogs, happy sheep and happy farmer.

Usually they are very effective as an aid within a few days, after which they gather dust on a shelf - so consider borrowing or leasing.

Rog
 
Dodgey said:
I don't beleive tara is a puppy?



Anyone one intersting thing struck me with RCs post, the leading the pack bit, being in front to establish pack leader. This, it would seem explains why when we're out with Shelby and she ends up in front she stops, or goes into extreme dawdle and constantly looks behind, until one of us goes in front then all's sort of well, well until she gets a smell that needs investigated and wee'd on:Rofl1:
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Exactley the same with our dog. What really confuses her is when both me and June take her for a walk and we both wander off in different directions. The poor dog doesnt know what to do and after a very short period we have to stop and come back together. She will not move or follow a favourite.

Iv'e had five dogs Paul and have never had to use any sought of aggressive device other than my voice, hand and body gestures.

A few of my dogs have been as daft as a brush and are/were not safe to be allowed off a lead unless out on the beach or green fields.

I had one dog that was an Alsation, Labrador cross and he was a very powerfull and intelligent dog. When he we as just a puppy I spent a lot of time with him teaching him the does and dont's and being very, very strict with him.

After he grew I could let him off the lead anywhere and he woudnt move from my side and obeyed every command without hesitation.

The dog that we had before the one we have now was subjected to a barrage of bangs and flashes when we accidentaly walked into the start of one of these battle re-enactment things in our local park.

She ran off and it took us ages to get her back. She was terrified of bangs after that. Fireworks were a nightmare but she never got over it. Our current dog chases and barks at them. Who knows ?.

Your dog obviousley sees black dogs as a danger and somehow you have to convince her that their not. I'm not sure that an electric collar is the way. The most obvious way is to introduce her to black dogs in a controlled manner so that she can be confident that there's nothing to get excited about. I hope all turns out well.

Jim
:Smile:
 
A massive thanks to all the replies.

Tara is to be taken to my friends next week whom is a police dog handler. She will be introduced to some good old fashioned real training.

Nikki and I have started on her again since the incident, and I do take on board Mike's comments as now I have been very wary of her being off the lead.

For those that do not know and to answer some of the wonderful PMs I have had with out being able to do so personally I will say.

She is a wonderful dog in almost every way, she is A newfie with a true Newfie nature, but she is a dog. When we got Tara she needed some serious training as we rescued her from a situation that was not acceptable for a Newfie. She had never mixed with other dogs, never socialised and had really no idea about where she would go next. She had 3 homes in 3 months + a home from birth to 8 months. When we rescued her with the help of the Newfoundland club we spent an awful lot of time re training her and working our socks off to make her acceptable to go out and socialise and be around a young family. She has her moments, like hating motor bikes and trying to chase them but we can normally prepare for that. On the whole though she is a super behaved dog, Walking this morning she was allowed to approach and play with other dogs and did so without a problem, the thing about an electric collar is that if you have ever seen a 10 stone + Newfie in proper action you will realise just how difficult it is to control even on a lead. She has never been vicious just boisterous, but not aggressive, until obviously this last week or 2.
So we will leave the collar for now, go back to the old art of training, accepting that on occasions dogs will disagree, and as long as she is not the aggressor I can handle that.
So she is now off too Boot camp, for some serious re training.

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laneside

Not wishing you good luck as I know you are positive enough to suceed

Alan
 
Good luck , hope it works.
 
Thats Good Paul, :thumb::thumb: i am pleased that you are not using the collar and your mate sound like a good bet. Having seen Tara on many occassions i could understand your issue's as she is a very powerful dog.

hope all goes well and keep us updated on the progress.
 
TARA

Well she aleays plays ok with scran am sure she will be back to her old self soon
 

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