Concorde Charisma on Man tgl or on Iveco EuroCargo ?

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Having been on the search for a motorhome for 18 months, I now find two which suit as close as I will ever get without ordering new!
Past experience has taught me that I will need to move quickly....
Here is the link to one on Mobile.de.
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The second one I came across at a dealer in Belgium where I went to look at something else! I have an option on it so its not listed yet online. It has many of the same features, but with E&P jacks, more solar and Efoy. Without the side cameras & diesel heater. I think these are not deal makers or breakers...? The one in Belgium is 2 years newer (2010) and comes with full service mechanical & has, and a one year warranty. Only slightly more expensive.

Any feedback/advice welcome!
Thanks!
 
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Just think, MAN German engineering is better than the Italian, but its what suits you

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I am not sure if it is of any interest but Thompson Leisure in Dromore, Northern Ireland
have a 2008 Concorde Charisma (Iveco) for sale.
 
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The MAN is going to be the 4 cylinder I guess, 7500kg ? It must be a struggle keeping under 7500kg with a truck chassis, other than that though MAN seems to be better respected than Eurocargo.
 
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funflair said:
The MAN is going to be the 4 cylinder I guess, 7500kg ? It must be a struggle keeping under 7500kg with a truck chassis, other than that though MAN seems to be better respected than Eurocargo.
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Yes it is the 4 cylinder. And yes, the payload is I'd say max 550 kgs if plated at 7500, which is what it currently is. I have a full C license so can have it rated up, I'm not sure, to 8,000? I believe this is a straightforward exercise
The eurocargo engine is a 5.880, a bit more than the MAN at 4580 I believe

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ontheroadagain said:
I am not sure if it is of any interest but Thompson Leisure in Dromore, Northern Ireland
have a 2008 Concorde Charisma (Iveco) for sale.
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Thanks for the heads-up. Nice van but I'm looking at M model with double bed

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Hi Kilroy
No experience with either, as you know I was looking at the MAN before I got the Morelo on the Iveco, but doing the research at the time and reading a post, I can’t just remember who it was said the euro was almost agricultural, have you test driven them?
That’s the best and only way to decide if one’s acceptable over the other.
Either way good luck I know how frustrating looking for the right engine and chassis can be👍
 
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funflair said:
The MAN is going to be the 4 cylinder I guess, 7500kg ? It must be a struggle keeping under 7500kg with a truck chassis, other than that though MAN seems to be better respected than Eurocargo.
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I ve driven a Charisma on the the 4 Cylinder 205hp TGL Chassis and despite my scepticism it went a lot better than I expected. It was quiet and plenty of grunt. I also had a brief drive in a 220hp 4 cylinder which was amazingly quiet. I havent driven Eurocargo on a motorhome but the trucks used to go well as a 6 Cylinder ( even the horsey lot slate the 3.9 4 Cylinder).

Of course the best chassis in my more than slightly biased opinion is the 220hp 6 Cylinder with a clutch pedal which I'm driving back from Spain at present.
 
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Kilroy said:
Yes it is the 4 cylinder. And yes, the payload is I'd say max 550 kgs if plated at 7500, which is what it currently is. I have a full C license so can have it rated up, I'm not sure, to 8,000? I believe this is a straightforward exercise
The eurocargo engine is a 5.880, a bit more than the MAN at 4580 I believe

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The Eurocargo at 5.9 is the 6 cylinder which people rate, but needs to be a manual not the troublesome pushbutton auto.
 
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Rudski01 said:
Hi Kilroy
No experience with either, as you know I was looking at the MAN before I got the Morelo on the Iveco, but doing the research at the time and reading a post, I can’t just remember who it was said the euro was almost agricultural, have you test driven them?
That’s the best and only way to decide if one’s acceptable over the other.
Either way good luck I know how frustrating looking for the right engine and chassis can be👍
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Hi Rudski01
Yes I remember that MAN and your long and winding road with the Carthago as well!
Thanks for the reply. I haven't driven either at this point as they are a long way from me! I had rather decided on the Eurocargo as soon as I saw it, "by accident" when I was looking at another Man liner, but now the Charisma on the Man also ticks most of the boxes.
I will have to jump soon or lose both of them!...I have not been able to complete on two others over the period...one Charisma in UK I was price agreed on, but then the new post-B----t rules & associated taxes came in and it was no longer viable. The other got a little fishy with lack of service history.
anyway! onwards and upwards hopefully.
I hope that you are enjoying your Morelo after all your travails getting there!
 
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jongood said:
The Eurocargo at 5.9 is the 6 cylinder which people rate, but needs to be a manual not the troublesome pushbutton auto.
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Thanks for your 3 replies, full of info. I'm afraid the one I am looking at, and rather fancy, is the "troublesome pushbutton auto" !!
Can you enlighten me as to what the problems are with this? I have done a google search earlier but hadn't come up with anything about that...must have another look now!
 
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Kilroy Getting ready for a short second outing up to Keswick about 10 miles as the crow flies, but about 45 miles by road, weather is looking shocking though, but well and truly into the plans for going away for approximately 3 months start of April, so will really get to know the van then, up to now delighted with it though.

Good luck with the search👍
 
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Kilroy said:
Thanks for your 3 replies, full of info. I'm afraid the one I am looking at, and rather fancy, is the "troublesome pushbutton auto" !!
Can you enlighten me as to what the problems are with this? I have done a google search earlier but hadn't come up with anything about that...must have another look now!
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The common one apparently is that you push the button and nothing happens. I've not driven one myself but heard this one more than once and there's quite a lot on Internet. For clarity this is Eurocargo not Daily. They've sold quite a lot so maybe one that's been looked after in a motorhome would be better than one that's been abused in a tipper.

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Thanks for that. Yes, eurocargo. I spoke yesterday with the main commercial dealer closest to me, who deal with both Iveco and MAN as it happens. He didn't come out strongly in favour of either, especially when hauling lower weight as in motorhome. He did sound a bit cautious about the Iveco if normally hauling heavy loads. ("Powervac " issue?)
 
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A six litre Iveco against a 4.2 Man I know what I would chose. I have a scaffolding firm near me running Iveco s, they take a ton of abuse and still keep going. Also we have a DVLA Street lifter Co which did run the MAN 4.2 two died, still parked up . They run DAF s now.
Iveco s are really bomb proof engines with great pulling power. BUT as you will probably not be doing many hundreds pf thousands of miles it will only be personal choice.
 
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Some very varying views between the two. I don't envy your decision.
However, one thing that did stand out for me was can you change the seat covers on the MAN to a different colour?
The interior colour would make or break it for me and has done in the past.
Good luck with your choice though - you'll be getting a great motorhome regardless of which you opt for.
 
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I must admit I'm not a fan of the iveco on my morello. It's OK but I think there's better options going forward
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I have owned 2 Carthagos on Iveco chassis, the first one was on a 50C chassis 5.6 ton and was not very nice to drive lots of roll and dived on corners and roundabouts and on straight roads had a sway that felt like a train my wife hated the ride so it had to go,
The second one was on a 60C chassis 6.7 ton and can only be described as chalk and cheese, all other spec was the same but 2 years newer hardly any roll very little dive and sat nice on a straight road the only thing I have added is some Marquart shock absorbers to improve off road stability ie grass fields.
 
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martin2603 said:
A six litre Iveco against a 4.2 Man I know what I would chose. I have a scaffolding firm near me running Iveco s, they take a ton of abuse and still keep going. Also we have a DVLA Street lifter Co which did run the MAN 4.2 two died, still parked up . They run DAF s now.
Iveco s are really bomb proof engines with great pulling power. BUT as you will probably not be doing many hundreds pf thousands of miles it will only be personal choice.
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Many thanks for that.
Interesting to get an alternative view. I have a tour company down the road from me who run 90% Iveco, admittedly mainly on the Daily.

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GAVLAD said:
Some very varying views between the two. I don't envy your decision.
However, one thing that did stand out for me was can you change the seat covers on the MAN to a different colour?
The interior colour would make or break it for me and has done in the past.
Good luck with your choice though - you'll be getting a great motorhome regardless of which you opt for.
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Yes indeed. I thought I was being a bit silly but some of the details and decor of the one on Eurocargo are exactly to my taste, but I would need to do a bit of redecoration on the MAN. All other things being equal, the scales are towards the Iveco. And yes, I appreciate that either one is like a dream machine for me at this stage
 
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martin2603 said:
A six litre Iveco against a 4.2 Man I know what I would chose. I have a scaffolding firm near me running Iveco s, they take a ton of abuse and still keep going. Also we have a DVLA Street lifter Co which did run the MAN 4.2 two died, still parked up . They run DAF s now.
Iveco s are really bomb proof engines with great pulling power. BUT as you will probably not be doing many hundreds pf thousands of miles it will only be personal choice.
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Imo this comes down to purpose. A scaffolding company will have totally different expectations to a motorhome owner.

I would be very tempted by the 6 cylinder Eurocargo compared to the 4 cylinder MAN, buts its a few years since I've driven a Eurocargo, so Kilroy why not arrange to view and make it conditional on a decent test drive?

Ivecos always have been strong engines, its the stuff around them that let them down; controls, switchgear, rotting bodies ( in the past) and its fair to say the shift to autos has not always been a happy one.

Most dealers/traders will put Scania or Volvo at the top, then Mercedes. DAF are marmite but usually cheaper all round. MAN are a quality brand and are expensive with expensive parts
 
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Kilroy said:
That's a definite view for sure! Anything in particular about the eurocargo that you don'e fancy?
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Any HGV driver can tell you that Iveco is not a desirable vehicle amongst peers, sure MAN vehicles have faults too, but on a very different scale from Iveco, Iveco’ s are very badly pieced together , from plastic and with bad quality electronics to add to the mix, ……
 
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I've seen the MAN one. It's unusual to see a 940m without a smart car garage. I can't see the Iveco one, is it at Alpha?
 
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I have seen quite a lot of complaints of the Eurocargo on big A class Motorhomes. A lot saying it’s so agricultural akin to driving a tractor.
 
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