Apple Motorhome

I wish. Albeit our Hymer is 6 years old now and we are not spring chickens but why is most motorhome technology so anti consumer friendly. Reminds me of when to use a PC you almost had to write the code to use it some 50 years ago. Then came Apple and integrated most things under one platform-diary, photos, videos, music, email oh and the phone. I have so many disparate, unconnected systems in vehicle it is so frustrating - WiFi, inverters, satellite, AirPlay, Tomtom, smart TV, Truma, alarm systems, and so on. Judging by the many, many questions on this forum we are not alone. So please Apple manufacture a coordinated approach so we can just take off , go where we want, when we want without all this noise.
I was looking at RP motorhome website yesterday and they seem to use a mini iPad with everything connected and operating the lighting and heating etc is possible by voice control like Alexa.
Nice vans but certainly not budget friendly.
 
I haven’t seen this, I don’t think, in 25 years of Apple use. Do you have any examples?

Yes, at a certain point they stop releasing updated software for the older machines, so you have to keep using an older OS or whatever - that’s typically after 7 or 8 years. But all software vendors have to do this in the end, and the situation is just the same with Windows.

Using Linux is really the only way to be pretty certain of continued updates for older hardware, but for many users that has challenges of its own. Still, you can, of course, turn either your ancient Mac or your ancient Windows machine into a Linux one whenever you want!
Surprised you didn't about the battery scandal, In late 2017, Apple apologized for secretly slowing down older iPhones, there is multiple law suits in the USA, that is just one of the tactics Apple have used in the last 20 years
 
Surprised you didn't about the battery scandal, In late 2017, Apple apologized for secretly slowing down older iPhones, there is multiple law suits in the USA, that is just one of the tactics Apple have used in the last 20 years

They did that to extend the battery life (slower clock speeds reduces power). It did backfire on them a bit 🙂, but as someone who in theory had one of the affected phones, I never noticed it.

Still, yes, we shouldn't continue this on this thread. Apologies.
 
They did that to extend the battery life (slower clock speeds reduces power). It did backfire on them a bit 🙂, but as someone who in theory had one of the affected phones, I never noticed it.

Still, yes, we shouldn't continue this on this thread. Apologies.
That is the excuse they used in the end, it was a lame excuse which wouldn't stand up in court, so they settled out of court, and are still paying out, I got £200 back from them in 2020 because of my Iphone 6, but you must make a claim to get the payment, Don't think that one still stands now not sure, but some of their engineers/techs admitted that was an excuse and not realty.

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I was looking at RP motorhome website yesterday and they seem to use a mini iPad with everything connected and operating the lighting and heating etc is possible by voice control like Alexa.
Nice vans but certainly not budget friendly.
I have been involved in the development of the RP system. The prototype has been running in my van for 2 years now! It’s realy wonderful having all the systems on the van controlled from a single screen. It works just as well when away from the van on our phones.

The smart part is all the monitoring the system does to help make running all the systems easy. It checks that the electric heating is not on when the electrical hook up fails, it warns you if the van gets too hot for your pet and so on.

RP made the great decision not to tie themselves to a single company’s technology but instead to embrace the open source approach to development. It realy shows how far non proprietary technology can go! It’s best to be able to use Garmin, Apple, Google etc. things where they offer good value but not to get tied in to them - that’s when they exploit you!
 
I have been involved in the development of the RP system. The prototype has been running in my van for 2 years now!
Can you share any tech details?

Is the tablet running HA? What’s the transport and what hardware do you need for interconnect?

Also, you say it’s open… are RP going to open source their efforts?
 
Can you share any tech details?

Is the tablet running HA? What’s the transport and what hardware do you need for interconnect?

Also, you say it’s open… are RP going to open source their efforts?
HA runs on a small server in the van so is available to monitor/control the van systems all the time.

The tablet has an app that manages the connection to the server either a direct connection over wi-fi when in/near the van or via an internet cloud service when further away.

You can use a plain web browser if you like. There is also the option to use the MBUX entertainment system screen built in to the van dashboard.

They have a dedicated LTE modem for remote technical support and the sending of alerts and messages when the owner is away from the van and they don’t have an internet connection going in the van. It is a realy comprehensive system.

Annoyingly, some of the van systems have closed API’s and so RP would not be able to open source their code for this as it would break the licence agreements they have with some of their suppliers.

There are several new integrations under development that will be 100% open source and these we will be able to share :)

Over the last 2 years we have built up a lot of experience with HA in a van. If there is anything I can help with just ask! This forum has been so useful it’s a pleasure to give a bit back!
 
I have been involved in the development of the RP system. The prototype has been running in my van for 2 years now! It’s realy wonderful having all the systems on the van controlled from a single screen. It works just as well when away from the van on our phones.

The smart part is all the monitoring the system does to help make running all the systems easy. It checks that the electric heating is not on when the electrical hook up fails, it warns you if the van gets too hot for your pet and so on.

RP made the great decision not to tie themselves to a single company’s technology but instead to embrace the open source approach to development. It realy shows how far non proprietary technology can go! It’s best to be able to use Garmin, Apple, Google etc. things where they offer good value but not to get tied in to them - that’s when they exploit you!
It is certainly the way forward.
The multitude of dumb systems fitted in bulk and usually wasting limited resources of battery and gas supplies is a PITA to manage so integrated system design and control will at least make the standby consumption sensible and efficient.
Let me know if they want me to test the products 👍🤣
 
Yes but given the difference on cost between apple products and ones that do a very similar job at a fraction of the price ( my android phone at £100 Vs an iPhone at???) does anyone really want motorhomes to cost 5 times as much as now?
A beautifully formed Apple iPhone from £599 new why would you want anything else ?

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Apple & VW what a thought 2 brands with good marketing and huge prices

Frightening how fast both would be out if date
I have multiple products from both form and function no less no hassle just a happy life
 
If Apple designed Motorhomes then you would find that the inbuilt navigation system would only allow you to go to Morroco on condition that you did not visit Spain 🤣
But you would be far less likely to become a victim of unsavoury attention 😁
 
You don't need all that sh**.

My Trauma heating system can be linked to my mobile phone so I can turn it on from my bed ...or down the road. I've never felt the need to set it up.

WiFi? Just use a hotspot on your phone (any old phone will do)

Android play? My van has it but I prefer to stick my phone in a holder attached to my windscreen.

I could go on.
 
Yes but given the difference on cost between apple products and ones that do a very similar job at a fraction of the price ( my android phone at £100 Vs an iPhone at???) does anyone really want motorhomes to cost 5 times as much as now?
I am about to be in this world you are talking about, although, with an open mind, a decent reversing camera and screen seems part of the package, which I welcome. I may live to regret it.😅
 
You don't need all that sh**.

My Trauma heating system can be linked to my mobile phone so I can turn it on from my bed ...or down the road. I've never felt the need to set it up.

WiFi? Just use a hotspot on your phone (any old phone will do)

Android play? My van has it but I prefer to stick my phone in a holder attached to my windscreen.

I could go on.
Actually we find the geofencing on our central heating system at home really useful. Ditto the security system of geofencing on our motorhome feels sort of comforting. Ditto on the apple tags which we have in our luggage . And several other features have become more the norm now, are useful but we can understand why some would feel more uncomfortable.

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I remember those days 50 years ago writting Cobol programs on coding sheets to be punched up by the 'girls' for our ICL mainframe and then having it thrown back at me because it didn't work - all because I forgot to put a full stop in - which took me a while to find! I stayed in computing ending up with IBM until 12 years ago - now I'm retired and really don't want the hassle of having to work out how things work, or how I can get them working together. I just want to be able to press buttons and it works, and enjoy relaxing with a glass of wine! - but it seems I'm my husbands private computer problem solver! I'd much rather relax and sew!.
 
Actually we find the geofencing on our central heating system at home really useful. Ditto the security system of geofencing on our motorhome feels sort of comforting. Ditto on the apple tags which we have in our luggage . And several other features have become more the norm now, are useful but we can understand why some would feel more uncomfortable.

I'm not uncomfortable with any of it. I'm quite tech savvy. For a lot of it I just don't see the point. The benefits are negligible. It's just laziness and pampering that I don't feel the need for. (Or techiness for the sake of it)

On the tech side I see the usefulness of data streaming for TV programmes, what's app, email, apps for banking, broadband, mobile phone, smart meters, energy, water, paying for stuff using my mobile phone etc etc. all useful stuff but switching on my heating remotely in a 7 metre motorhome ???.
 
I was involved with the cutting edge of IT from the mid 80's to the mid 90's
(And arguably still on the cutting edge into the 2020's)

We had to actually build our servers, that is from the ground up, getting the metal box cut and bent and we had our own techies (mostly school leavers) assembling the product, soldering on bits, in an old watch factory in Clerkenwell.
Then designing the software and getting it written, rewritten etc.
All in-house.

We were larger than Microsoft at the time, we did not really see them as competition.

A load of those arguments at the time made perfect sense.
Unix would never take off,
NCR was the major competition

And quite rightly we did not go down the PC path in the 90's.
Why pay £2k for a PC when a £200 dumb terminal could do everything a PC could do, but faster and cheaper ?
It was only went Windows 95 came out that we realised the PC's may be the direction of travel, so we were ready for Windows 97!
Most companies still preferred to buy £200 dumb terminals, the £2k PC's were reserved for the Secretaries right into the early 2000's.

It was only when the internet became reliable and useful in about 2001-2 that things switched to PC's.

I still have a letter from a large broking international house which in summary says:
"...we do not see the need for our company to have access to the internet or to use e-mail in the foreseeable future ...."
The letter is dated August 2000!

If you had told me in 2000 that within 3 years I would have a (Blackberry) phone in my pocket that had more processing ability than a Win97 PC I'd not have taken you seriously

How things change!

Your next motorhome will be electric and the steering wheel may be an optional extra, only for use when in camp sites!
I worked for NCR in the 70s and 80s decided that Unix would never take of so passed it over to a colleague. Doh!
 
I'm not uncomfortable with any of it. I'm quite tech savvy. For a lot of it I just don't see the point. The benefits are negligible. It's just laziness and pampering that I don't feel the need for. (Or techiness for the sake of it)

On the tech side I see the usefulness of data streaming for TV programmes, what's app, email, apps for banking, broadband, mobile phone, smart meters, energy, water, paying for stuff using my mobile phone etc etc. all useful stuff but switching on my heating remotely in a 7 metre motorhome ???.
I think we all have a right to use whatever we feel frees up our time , makes life easier without being told it’s laziness. Not that you have very polarised views about stuff.
 
I think we all have a right to use whatever we feel frees up our time , makes life easier without being told it’s laziness. Not that you have very polarised views about stuff.
But the difference in views does show that not all people want the integration of systems discussed in this thread especially as it would be naive to assume that would come without additional cost. The way forward could well be a standard model largely as now or a model with integrated systems for those who feel the cost benefit is right for them. Which I suppose gets us back to the apple/ android discussion!

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Ah, the perpetual illusion that tech "frees up time" - it has to to allow the proponents (or maybe victims) of techifying everything to get their daily fix of tech in the first place . . .
 
But the difference in views does show that not all people want the integration of systems discussed in this thread especially as it would be naive to assume that would come without additional cost. The way forward could well be a standard model largely as now or a model with integrated systems for those who feel the cost benefit is right for them. Which I suppose gets us back to the apple/ android discussion!
The other issue is that many will be unable to understand and use these complex integrated control systems. The old joke about the grandchildren being called upon to program the VCR is not far from the truth especially when 'forgetfulness' or worse begins it's march as the years progress. Someone in their mid 70's who was always quick to pick up new things and understand them now cannot cope with the deadlock on the nightcatch on the door and has locked themselves out several times, and cannot change channels on a TV even if able to turn it on .... or off! I really believe in the KISS principle and always have even when designing UI's. An adage I have been using for at least 35 years is 'Just because you can, doesn't mean you should', and 'never assume that what's good for you is good for everyone else'.
 
The third rule of UI design is of course "You can do you best to make it foolproof, but it very much depends on the quality of the fool!" The reality learned very early was that that there are very few real fools in the world, just a huge number of people with differing views, experiences, languages and cognitive understanding.
 
The other issue is that many will be unable to understand and use these complex integrated control systems. The old joke about the grandchildren being called upon to program the VCR is not far from the truth especially when 'forgetfulness' or worse begins it's march as the years progress. Someone in their mid 70's who was always quick to pick up new things and understand them now cannot cope with the deadlock on the nightcatch on the door and has locked themselves out several times, and cannot change channels on a TV even if able to turn it on .... or off! I really believe in the KISS principle and always have even when designing UI's. An adage I have been using for at least 35 years is 'Just because you can, doesn't mean you should', and 'never assume that what's good for you is good for everyone else'.
I’d love to know who’s grandchildren could program a VCR these days as they don’t have a touch sensitive screen or voice activated….it was fable back then and more so now.
 
I’d love to know who’s grandchildren could program a VCR these days as they don’t have a touch sensitive screen or voice activated….it was fable back then and more so now.
Well it was never a problem for me personally, but I came across numerous folk where it was very true, so I disagree that it was a fable. Indeed I spoke to one friend only yesterday who was telling me he had to get his granddaughter to sort out his TV channels after the "smart" TV has a software update. He commented that he had no idea why they are called "smart" as they are anything but!

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Well it was never a problem for me personally, but I came across numerous folk where it was very true, so I disagree that it was a fable. Indeed I spoke to one friend only yesterday who was telling me he had to get his granddaughter to sort out his TV channels after the "smart" TV has a software update. He commented that he had no idea why they are called "smart" as they are anything but!
I’m not saying user interfaces can be a challenge what ever era they were made, but what is often forgotten it’s the parents and grandparents who invented the technology in the first place not the kids. There will also be some who will struggle with any tech at any age
 
I agree as I was in at the ground floor so to speak while at EMI, but we were only a tiny proportion of that age group who were involved with what was then high tech. So while it's not an issue for those like yourself who obviously has a similar background, there will be large numbers of our generation and younger who do not have a scooby do and are technophobic.
 
I think we all have a right to use whatever we feel frees up our time , ......
In my 50 year career in IT I learnt early on it was always best to work with facts than go along with feelings. Many a user request foundered at the first hurdle due to lack of supporting data. They didn't often return either ! :-)
 
In my 50 year career in IT I learnt early on it was always best to work with facts than go along with feelings. Many a user request foundered at the first hurdle due to lack of supporting data. They didn't often return either ! :-)
I couldn't agree more. I lost track of how many things on user wish lists either did not get beyond the feasibility study stage, or then failed to get user commitment at the project planning stage when told they had to provide skilled resource at the functional analysis and user acceptance test phases. 🤔 Even than sometimes getting access to the right users when you needed them was often a problem. Then they would complain that the project was overrunning. Fortunately PMW quickly showed which resource constraints were responsible for the delays.
 
TL/DR: a few nuggets and a lot of grit.

Just joined the forum and this is the first thread I’ve read. OP had a valid point about wanting to simplify technology and about half a dozen posts helpfully responded to that, highlighting HA as a potential solution, something I’ve recently done in my van and I’m happy to share my experiences with anyone who’s up for a discussion.
But the other 80 posts are mostly people criticising others who don’t share their precise worldview of exactly what amount and combination of tech is “correct”, something I don’t think the OP was after. I hope other threads I go on will provide more of the “fun” that the URL claims.

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