What would you do?

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  1. Big bus man

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    Being a hard working honest bloke naturally I expect the rest of the population to be the same.
    Where I work a middle aged guy in charge of the drawing office comes down to see me, maybe twice a month, a nice chatty bloke with a slightly sad background being his wife is disabled and his daughter has been very poorly plus the odd health issue himself, add this to typical financial worries and the increasing pressure from management to produce more work he has clearly taken to drinking, which includes driving. I thought why not have a quiet chat with a manager to find out if they were aware of the drinking problem this then gives someone else the problem to deal with instead of me, turns out they are aware and have been for some years.
    So I have a dilemma, not wishing to upset the apple cart my preference would be to not get involved thus keep quiet but another part of me says what would I feel like if he kills someone whilst driving home 2 times a day.

    What would you do?
     
  2. Judge Mental

    Judge Mental Funster Deceased RIP

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    Difficult!
    I would take him aside and quietly tell him to shape up for family's sake and if he don't stop the drink driving your conscience will force you to do something...
     
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  3. Zigisla

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    IMHO your answer lies in the llatter bit of your last sentence
     
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  4. Jaws

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    Sorry.. I understand where you are coming from but god forbid he does for some poor innocent person cos he is 'under the weather' due to his imbibing falling down water think how much sadder he will be AND how sad the family of the victim will be
     
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  5. Lynne Steele

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    I agree with Judge, but if he doesn't stop drinking and driving you have no choice but report him, as the drinking and driving has horrendous consequences, both to innocent people and his family who need him.

    Lynne
     
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  6. Langtoftlad

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    Hit him and hit him hard*
    Ask him just how he'd look after his disabled wife if he was locked up for causing a death by drunk driving...
    How would he cope if he was banned from driving, as it appears he drives to & from work frequently...
    How would he support his family as it would likely he'd be fired if convicted.
    How would he get another job.
    Perhaps he thinks the chances of getting away with it are good? But if you know about his drinking problem, then others surely do - and they do because his management is already "aware".
    You've had the 'courtesy' to speak to him directly, but the next one who notices might just ring the drink drive hotline.
    Get him to call DrinkSense

    [*not physically you understand]
     
  7. DP_JAY

    DP_JAY Funster Life Member

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    I can't believe the company's response! They have legal duty to help him.

    ■ Employees with a drink problem have the same rights to confidentiality and support as they would if they had any other medical or psychological condition. ■ Disciplinary action should be a last resort. A court may find a dismissal unfair if an employer has made no attempt to help an employee whose work problems are related to drinking alcohol. ■ The cost of recruiting and training a replacement may be greater than the cost of allowing someone time off to obtain expert help. ■ Many people with an alcohol problem are able in time to regain full control over their drinking and return to their previous work performance. ■ It may be very difficult for people to admit to themselves or others that their drinking is out of control. They need to know that you will treat their drinking problem as a health problem rather than an immediate cause for dismissal or disciplinary action. ■ If employees’ drinking is a matter of concern, they should be encouraged to seek help from their GP or a specialist alcohol agency.

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    http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg240.pdf
     
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  8. Mikey RV

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    If he relies on drink that much then it don't matter what you say to him it will fall on deaf ears, until sadly it's too late.
     
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    Quite agree he will only stop when he either has an accident and someone is killed or he needs reporting ASAP God forbid him hitting someone at Christmas or any time come to that!
     
  10. sdc77

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    Call the Police on him and get him stopped driving before he kills someone
     
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  11. magicsurfbus

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    Buy him a breathalyser in the next round of Secret Santa?

    More seriously, leave a breath tester anonymously where you know he'll find it. He might take the hint and help himself.

    I'm surprised your manager admitted to knowing about your colleague's drink problem already - not very hot on employee confidentiality are they?
     
  12. FIDGET

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    hard decision, but I,m afraid I would have to notify the authorities , I could not live with myself if something awful happened. !!
     
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  13. rangitira

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    I worked in a sawmill with a fella that brought with him every day 2, 1 gallon flagons of beer, 1/2 for morning smoko, 1 for lunch and the other 1/2 for Afternoon smoko. He was sole charge of a circular saw, that removed Knots from Stress graded timber, he worked in a shed on his own. Everyone knew "old Sid" was an alky
    New Boss took over, he was going to sack him, for bringing grog into the workspace. As Site Delegate I argued, successfully, that he didn't, he drank his grog in his car, on the track outside the mill, and got him his job back.
    I had a word with old Sid, told him he had a problem, and needed to get help, he acknowledged he did.

    Then I kept an eye on him, but! and this will upset most who has posted on this thread, minded my own business.

    Old Sid sought help, and came right, for a while anyway, till the Mill closed and threw 86 men on the scrap heap.
     
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  14. Anthony496

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    I'd shop the idiot without a single thought of his situation, he does not care about the situations of the thousands of motorists and pedestrians he puts at risk every time he gets behind the wheel.
     
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  15. Baycott

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    Unfortunately, if he is an alcoholic, which sounds likely, you will not persuade him to stop drink driving until he can admit to himself that he has a problem. If he can do that he can gut hell (AA). If not, you have a responsibility to inform the police IMHO.
     
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    The managers have been aware for years?? He knows his family need him and still does it, can't help himself. Don't enable him, call the police next time he's in the car. He will probably lose his licence but he will be off the road not endangering himself and others.
    My brother was alcoholic, would/could not listen and had an accident while collecting his daughter from school. No one was hurt, car written off lost his licence. Still died an alcoholic at 56 yrs old.
     
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    And if that fails,
    https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail/dvla/en/drivers_med_03.html
    (can be filled in anonymously)
     
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    I would speak to him personally about HIS problem,
    If he takes no heed you have tried your best,

    I talked like this to a mate at work a couple of years ago, he still comes in 100% proof at times,
    He has a problem, I don't.
     
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  20. Minxy Girl

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    Your employer has a duty of care to the employee - they KNOW he's doing it and part of the cause appears to be the 'stress' they are placing on him ... regardless of whether he was just stressed, or drinking and stressed, they have to address it themselves - if not and something happens they could be held partly liable for not doing something to alleviate the issues they are causing him and he could sue their pants off. I know that's not the main concern here though, it will be difficult but I'd be tempted to take him out for lunch to a cafe somewhere that those from the firm don't frequent and have a chat with him ... no point in 'accusing' him of this and that as all it will do is get his back up ... instead try to imagine it is someone telling you that YOU have the problem and how you'd prefer to be told. If it doesn't help him then you've tried doing it 'unofficially' so I'd then make it formal by telling the police/DVLA, but I wouldn't leave it to go on any longer, one way or another.
     
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